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You want to try one?

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-What do you say?
-Let's do it. Yes.

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-Let's shoot.
-Yep. Shoot.

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John, shoot.

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Let's go.

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Roll Keanu back up.
Let's shoot.

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Okay, let's mount up.

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Here we go.

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Keep the charge. Go time.

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All right. And let's roll.

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Quiet, please.

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And let's roll.

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Rolling.
Very quiet all around, please.

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-B.
-Victory 88 Charlie, Take 1. A-mark.

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Guys doing the shell
casing, it will come this direction.

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What's a good eyeline here
to look at them?

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Let's see. That's good.

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Here to here to here?

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No, uh,
bring it around a little bit.

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That's good.

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That's better.
You like that?

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So, I'll start here. Three, two,
one, and I'll just be like, "Fuck."

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-Stand by.
-Standing by. Here we go.

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Yeah, let's see what comes.
But if we can get the pull and--

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Quiet, please.
All right, very good.

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And thank you.
Okay. Ready and action.

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-Good. Cut.
-Cut.

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-There you go.
-You like that?

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A little bit of anger is good.

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When we say,
"John Wick is pain,"

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it's kind of like
a "Fuck yeah," you know?

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It's like a "Fuck yeah.
Wick is pain."

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It's like,
"It's so good, it hurts."

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Or, "It hurts so good."

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Um...

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And I think...

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I think that's why
the audiences like it, too.

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I think you can see it
on the screen,

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and there's a kind of B movie,
B-action genre to it,

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taken to, like,
a super high artsy level in a way.

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But there is the joy
of people getting hit by cars

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and falling from impossible...
Like, "You can't survive that."

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And-- And then John Wick kind of
getting back up or struggling.

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It's like an invitation,
you know?

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And it kind of takes care of
you, and it feels authentic.

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I believe
that that's in the movies,

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and that when you watch them,
you're like, "Yeah, this is like..."

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As John Wick says
in John Wick,

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"It's personal."

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You know, I always looked at it
with, like, art envy,

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with, you know,
Scorsese and De Niro.

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You know, like, De Niro
had his director, you know?

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And so, when I think of that,
then that's what I think of.

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Like, with the John Wick role,
I had-- I had my director there.

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This is 87eleven.

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I try to start my day here
every morning at 6:00 a.m.

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before I go into the office.

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This is where all the
stunt performers come to train.

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We've trained
for all the John Wicks here.

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It's also where I have to come and
try to keep the joints working.

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Yeah,
a lot of miles on the body.

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The wear and tear
of not just stunt work,

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but of all the martial art and
the physicality that I've done.

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I've broken my hands, both ankles,
both knees, both hips, both shoulders,

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both elbows, both arms,
several concussions.

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But if you're passionate about
something, pain's part of it.

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I don't think you can have
one without the other.

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It's really about choice.

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What you're willing to do to
achieve what you want to achieve.

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Nice.

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Growing up, my dad was very athletic.
Mom was very athletic.

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Everybody in the house
got up at 6:00.

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Before we went to school,
we did laps with Mom in the pool,

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or we went for a jog, we went for a run
with the dogs or something like that.

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They had that discipline of get
up, go do something physical.

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It was already instilled in me
way back then.

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I-I remember Chad goes,
"What are you doing? You wanna train?"

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I go, "It's Christmas Eve." And he's
like, "Christmas evening."

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"You can train in the morning."
Like that kind of shit.

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I, for some reason,
never gravitated towards team sports.

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I was a shy kid.

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But when I was probably
only like ten years old,

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I saw a Bruce Lee movie.
I'm like, "I wanna do that."

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So I started doing judo
when I was like ten or 11.

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That kind of
led to the martial art career

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that I started when I was
in California to go to USC.

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In college, I had met a student who
was one of the associate instructors

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at the Inosanto Academy
in Marina Del Rey.

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Dan Inosanto
trained with Bruce Lee,

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and he was one of the greatest
martial art instructors of the time.

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The Inosanto Academy had
almost a collegiate setting.

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It wasn't one martial art.

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He'd bring in instructors
from all over the world.

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Amazing instructors.

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Literally, if I wasn't going to school,
I would either jog the four miles

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or take the city bus down to
Marina Del Rey from Downtown LA

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and take classes or spend
my weekends down there.

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I would sleep on
the floor or whatever.

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Chad was probably the
best kickboxer in that school.

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I used to watch this guy just
beat the crap out of everybody.

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I just remember,
if we were training kickboxing,

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he would try to come up
with the best training drills,

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the best kickboxing drills.

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Everything to just be
the best at what we were doing.

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That's always
been his thing.

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My last year in college, I had met a few
stuntmen through the Inosanto Academy,

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like Jeff Imada
and Brandon Lee.

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Brandon was working on
his acting career,

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trying to, you know,
follow in his father's steps.

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Super motivated guy.

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Had the best laugh on the planet.
Really talented martial art guy.

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Every weekend,
we'd get together,

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and we'd do what we thought, hopefully,
was martial art choreography,

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but it was a bunch of us just trying
to figure out how to sell a punch

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and learn how to be stuntmen.

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We'd have our old, big VHS camera,
trying to figure out the angles.

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I still have some of the tapes.

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I go back and look at them going,
"How did we not kill each other?"

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I remember Brandon coming into the
gym one night before a workout,

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going, you know,
"I fucking got it."

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We're like, "What you get?" and he's
like, "Look, they're gonna make The Crow.

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I got the job
being Eric Draven."

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It was really, really cool.
Like, we were so happy for him.

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It was a big deal.
Big deal for Brandon to get that.

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And that's, um, that's kind of how
I got my first big gig in Hollywood.

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I was still competing at the time and
getting ready for a big bout in Japan,

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and Brandon had just gone off to
North Carolina to Carolco Studios,

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where they were shooting
The Crow.

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And we got a call
saying there was an accident.

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We're like,
"He'll be fine. It's Brandon."

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You know,
we didn't think anything of it.

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And he died, I think,
14 hours later.

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And then the show shut down. They were
still a couple weeks from finishing.

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Between Alex Proyas, the director,
the studio, and Linda Lee, Brandon's mom,

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they decided
to finish the film.

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Jeff Imada had contacted me,
and he knew how close we were to Brandon.

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He knew I was already doing
some stunt work at the time.

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And Brandon and I had
very similar body types.

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You don't know what to think.

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Selfishly, one part of me is like, "Wow,
this could be really cool to finish, man."

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The other thing is like,
"What the fuck are you talking about?"

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You're like,
"Your friend's dead."

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I-I can't recall what my actual
head or mindset was at the time,

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but I decided to do the job.

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And Alex brought me down to a
little basement in the studio there,

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and we watched for like two days
straight every daily we could of Brandon.

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And he'd make me mimic walking,
talking, sitting,

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just every
mannerism Brandon had.

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And since I had known him
for a couple years,

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it was one of the most surreal
experiences you'll ever go through.

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Your career starts
because of that.

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Chad, when I first met him,

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had, like, this long,
beautiful hair down to here.

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Insane. It was incredible.

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He looked like Daniel Day-Lewis
in The Last of the Mohicans.

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We actually met through a mutual
friend at one of the first UFC fights.

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Somebody was watching it at home,
and we all met at somebody's house,

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and Chad and I just met,
and we started talking about martial arts.

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Totally hit it off.

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And I said, "Hey,
I'm up to do the sequel to Bloodsport."

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He was like, "I love Bloodsport.
I'd love to be involved."

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So he came onboard.

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He became one of the fighters.
He did one of the fights with me.

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And Chad actually
choreographed that fight.

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And at the time,
Chad was really into trapping.

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We did a lot of trapping.

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Chad used all my kicking.
I'm a Tae Kwon Do guy.

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And it turned out to be
my best fight in the movie.

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So when
Bloodsport III came around,

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I ask him, "Would you like
to be the fight coordinator?"

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So he came onboard.

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This time, it's my turn.

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And I actually think the fights Chad
did at the time were incredible.

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Even if you watch it now,

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it's still a little bit like,
you know, '90s, like...

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But the techniques
are already great.

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Then I did a movie
called Perfect Target.

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It was a smaller movie.
We shot it in Mexico.

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So, Chad tells me,
"Hey, listen. I have this buddy

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who's gonna come and visit and wanna
hang out and maybe do some stunts."

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I'm like, "Absolutely."

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And I meet David Leitch.

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I started training at
a martial arts school in college

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called
the Minnesota Kali Group,

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and they were affiliated
with Dan Inosanto.

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Once I was exposed to
those martial arts

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and that sort of martial art
community, I was, like, obsessed.

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And that's where I met a lot of
my friends for the first time

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who are still my friends today.
And one of them was Chad.

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He was just saying one day that he
really wanted to go into acting.

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And I was like, "Well, hey, if you
wanna be cast, why don't you come out?

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We'll put you in the movie.
We'll teach you how to be a stunt guy."

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You know, I was gonna go
to LA for holiday.

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And he's like, "Why don't you just
come to Mexico and get on a movie set?"

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And I'm like, "Well, I'm not gonna
be working. It's gonna be weird."

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And he's like, "Just come.
It'll be cool. You'll get to see it."

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So, yeah, I took my money that I was gonna
spend on that trip, and I flew to Mexico.

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It was an awesome experience.

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We just put him to
work as little background extras

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and then started
teaching him stunts.

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And then he looked like
one of the guys.

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So, "Hey, just double
this guy in this fight scene."

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He's like,
"What do I gotta do?"

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"Just snap your head
like this."

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I got to work one day on that.

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Brian Thompson throws me
through a wicker chair.

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I was so excited.
Couldn't wait.

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Just do it again.
Take 2. Take 3. Let's do it.

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But luckily it was a low-budget movie,
so they could only afford one take,

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so one breakaway,
and I was done.

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Dave wasn't pretentious at all,

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so it wasn't about looking cool like
stunt guys are trying to look cool.

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He would play any part.
He'd play the guy that would cry.

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He'd play the homeless guy.
He'd play the cop.

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A lot of stunt guys
just wanted to do the stunt.

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They didn't want to act.

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Dave was like,
"I'll do the part."

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So, very quickly,
his career kind of took off.

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After that couple of years,
we ended up getting a run on television.

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Chad was doubling
the lead on The Pretender,

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and I was doubling
a ton of different guys.

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There was another thing
that was happening too.

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Martial arts had started to come
to America in terms of action.

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Shows like Buffy the Vampire
Slayer or Martial Law.

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And the stunt world
at that time was very cowboy,

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car, motorcycle oriented.

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But now when you had this really
specific need for martial arts stuntmen,

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we became hot commodities.

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And that's when Chad got his
break on the first Matrix.

230
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Oh, my God.
That was the first time I met you.

231
00:13:19,882 --> 00:13:21,842
The Matrix.

232
00:13:22,051 --> 00:13:23,219
It's impossible to really talk
about any of the John Wicks

233
00:13:23,427 --> 00:13:24,637
without talking about Matrix.

234
00:13:24,804 --> 00:13:26,806
-Yeah.
-That's where we all met.

235
00:13:26,972 --> 00:13:29,391
I got this call saying they were
looking for martial art doubles

236
00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,602
for Keanu for a sci-fi movie.

237
00:13:31,769 --> 00:13:34,188
-A sci-fi movie!
-It was a sci-fi movie.

238
00:13:34,355 --> 00:13:37,191
So I got the call, and I literally
just went in for an audition,

239
00:13:37,358 --> 00:13:39,401
and that's where I met Yuen
Woo-Ping and all the guys.

240
00:13:39,568 --> 00:13:41,403
Then they introduced me
to Tiger Chen.

241
00:13:41,570 --> 00:13:43,948
Two-time national
Chinese wushu champion.

242
00:13:44,114 --> 00:13:47,576
Yeah. It was
pretty mind-blowing actually.

243
00:13:47,743 --> 00:13:50,371
This is Chen Hu.
Call him Tiger Chen.

244
00:13:50,579 --> 00:13:53,249
He was in charge of training Keanu
Reeves for all the Matrix movies.

245
00:13:53,415 --> 00:13:54,959
He's also my coach.

246
00:13:55,167 --> 00:13:58,045
One of the best performers ever
in wuxia.

247
00:13:58,212 --> 00:14:01,215
So, when I got called
to do the audition in Burbank,

248
00:14:01,382 --> 00:14:05,386
all that was told to me was
it's a Keanu Reeves sci-fi movie

249
00:14:05,553 --> 00:14:07,471
-and they need some kung fu guy.
-Sci-fi movie.

250
00:14:07,638 --> 00:14:09,181
I'm like, "You need kung fu?"

251
00:14:09,348 --> 00:14:11,475
He said, "Just go down there
and audition."

252
00:14:11,642 --> 00:14:16,397
I meet Woo-Ping, I meet the Wachowskis,
and they say, "Okay, follow him."

253
00:14:16,564 --> 00:14:20,109
And he goes fucking Wile E. Coyote and
just does the Tasmanian Devil thing.

254
00:14:20,276 --> 00:14:22,528
Some of the best martial
arts stuff I've ever seen.

255
00:14:22,736 --> 00:14:25,948
And I'm like, "Follow him?"

256
00:14:26,115 --> 00:14:29,326
Every tumbling pass, every
kick, every form, everything.

257
00:14:29,493 --> 00:14:31,912
I'm, like, in jeans and a
T-shirt, dripping in sweat, going,

258
00:14:32,079 --> 00:14:34,248
"Well, this is
a different kind of audition."

259
00:14:34,415 --> 00:14:37,710
He was like jumping, kicking, punching.
Woo-Ping says, "This is good.

260
00:14:37,918 --> 00:14:39,378
He looks like Keanu, too."

261
00:14:39,795 --> 00:14:43,549
From the very first day,
he's training all the time.

262
00:14:43,591 --> 00:14:45,801
Every day, even the weekend.

263
00:14:45,968 --> 00:14:47,553
Every weekend
he's just calling me.

264
00:14:47,761 --> 00:14:50,264
I was like, you know,
trying to go out and play,

265
00:14:50,431 --> 00:14:52,975
you know, go somewhere to play,
he was calling me, like--

266
00:14:53,142 --> 00:14:54,727
-No, please. Please.
-"Can we training? Can we training?"

267
00:14:54,894 --> 00:14:56,896
Please don't go karaoke.

268
00:14:57,104 --> 00:14:58,898
I just didn't want to suck.

269
00:14:59,064 --> 00:15:01,108
'Cause I saw Keanu,
and how much they had trained him,

270
00:15:01,317 --> 00:15:03,360
and he had like a six-month head start,
and he was already, like, really good.

271
00:15:05,487 --> 00:15:07,781
I had to go through so much training
to learn, like, the kung fu and stuff.

272
00:15:07,948 --> 00:15:10,826
Hong Kong style.
All the wild wirework.

273
00:15:11,035 --> 00:15:14,622
And wirework wasn't huge
even in mainstream stunts at the time,

274
00:15:14,830 --> 00:15:16,999
so I'm almost learning
from Keanu a lot of the times.

275
00:15:17,333 --> 00:15:20,044
He had already been doing the choreography
a couple months at least, right?

276
00:15:20,085 --> 00:15:22,129
And some of your kung fu
was outstanding.

277
00:15:22,296 --> 00:15:23,964
Well, no. Movie kung fu.

278
00:15:24,131 --> 00:15:26,050
-The movie kung fu was pretty--
-Movie kung fu.

279
00:15:26,258 --> 00:15:27,801
You'd already got the
forms right, everything looks good.

280
00:15:28,010 --> 00:15:29,178
-You had the flexibility going.
-Yeah.

281
00:15:29,345 --> 00:15:30,971
Oh, yeah.
There you are helping me out.

282
00:15:32,473 --> 00:15:34,350
Yeah, there you go.
Yeah. Fucking awesome.

283
00:15:35,476 --> 00:15:36,894
That's Chad into the wall.

284
00:15:37,603 --> 00:15:39,396
That's Chad into the wall.

285
00:15:40,314 --> 00:15:42,274
That's Chad into the ceiling.

286
00:15:42,483 --> 00:15:45,402
Oh, yeah. Then he's gonna break
his knee coming down from that.

287
00:15:45,527 --> 00:15:47,363
That's right. Yeah.

288
00:15:47,529 --> 00:15:49,615
There he is on crutches.

289
00:15:49,782 --> 00:15:51,659
-Before and afters.
-Before and after.

290
00:15:51,867 --> 00:15:54,411
Yeah. We learned so much on that show.
Oh, my God.

291
00:15:55,746 --> 00:15:57,206
Chad came back
from The Matrix,

292
00:15:57,456 --> 00:15:59,625
and he was like,
"Here's what's happening, guys.

293
00:15:59,750 --> 00:16:02,127
Like, they shoot
and edit their own stuff.

294
00:16:02,294 --> 00:16:04,380
They choreograph,
and they cut it all together.

295
00:16:04,546 --> 00:16:07,967
And they're telling their own
stories in their own sequences."

296
00:16:08,133 --> 00:16:09,510
And they're like,
"We gotta do this.

297
00:16:09,718 --> 00:16:11,470
This is the way we should
be approaching all this stuff."

298
00:16:11,637 --> 00:16:12,721
And action.

299
00:16:19,853 --> 00:16:21,188
We started to do it ourselves,

300
00:16:21,689 --> 00:16:23,440
and we would get all the
martial art stunt guys together,

301
00:16:23,482 --> 00:16:25,359
and we would choreograph
and edit fight scenes

302
00:16:26,902 --> 00:16:29,279
as an exercise,
but also because we just loved it.

303
00:16:29,488 --> 00:16:31,949
We would go and take
a scene from Jackie Chan,

304
00:16:32,116 --> 00:16:33,701
and we would
recreate that scene.

305
00:16:33,909 --> 00:16:35,577
And it became very apparent
that Chad and Dave

306
00:16:35,744 --> 00:16:36,829
were thinking like directors.

307
00:16:37,079 --> 00:16:38,455
Like, why did
the camera go there?

308
00:16:38,706 --> 00:16:41,375
Why did we use this lens?
How many shots?

309
00:16:41,458 --> 00:16:43,460
How many moves do we hold here
before we move here?

310
00:16:43,669 --> 00:16:46,380
Previs was a game changer.
Now directors saw what we can do.

311
00:16:46,505 --> 00:16:48,132
Soon we became known for that.

312
00:16:48,340 --> 00:16:50,467
People would request them.
Directors would request them.

313
00:16:50,634 --> 00:16:52,428
Somewhere along the way,
we started a stunt team.

314
00:16:52,594 --> 00:16:53,679
Then we started
a stunt company.

315
00:16:56,056 --> 00:16:58,851
They don't like that camera.

316
00:16:59,018 --> 00:17:02,271
-They don't like it?
-No. I can tell.

317
00:17:04,690 --> 00:17:06,900
The idea behind 87eleven
was that it was a one-stop shop.

318
00:17:07,109 --> 00:17:09,862
They were
an action design company.

319
00:17:10,029 --> 00:17:12,531
You come here and you get a fight
team, a fight coordinator,

320
00:17:12,740 --> 00:17:16,076
stunt coordinator, second unit
director, the whole package in one.

321
00:17:17,286 --> 00:17:18,871
Whoo!

322
00:17:19,038 --> 00:17:20,122
We were all
kind of with this team,

323
00:17:20,414 --> 00:17:21,623
we worked together,
we trained together.

324
00:17:21,707 --> 00:17:23,500
Chad and I got married.

325
00:17:23,667 --> 00:17:25,419
So it was a very fun time.

326
00:17:25,586 --> 00:17:27,963
Cheers.

327
00:17:28,172 --> 00:17:30,215
-I'll talk to you in a bit. Bye.
-See you later. Bye.

328
00:17:30,299 --> 00:17:31,884
Even if
we didn't have a project,

329
00:17:32,384 --> 00:17:34,178
Chad would just make us do
drills like we had a project.

330
00:17:34,219 --> 00:17:36,638
Put us in situations like,
"Choreograph this.

331
00:17:36,847 --> 00:17:39,725
You guys gotta learn this martial art.
Let's do this. Let's spar.

332
00:17:39,892 --> 00:17:41,935
Let's put a knife in hand.
Let's see what happens when we do this."

333
00:17:42,102 --> 00:17:43,520
Our company
started to get bigger,

334
00:17:43,687 --> 00:17:46,190
and I was the one that was more
of a coordinator first,

335
00:17:46,356 --> 00:17:48,650
so Dave was working
for me a lot.

336
00:17:48,817 --> 00:17:51,737
Dave and Chad. Okay, let's step out
and narrate this for a second, okay?

337
00:17:51,945 --> 00:17:53,363
All right...

338
00:17:53,572 --> 00:17:56,033
Two partners.
Two best friends. Here we go.

339
00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,036
Aw, see, there's the hug.
Aw.

340
00:17:59,203 --> 00:18:00,913
They were best friends,
thick as thieves.

341
00:18:01,413 --> 00:18:03,499
You know, always training
together, always working together.

342
00:18:04,875 --> 00:18:06,835
But then we were very fortunate,
we had a lot of work offers,

343
00:18:06,919 --> 00:18:08,837
so Dave started
doing his thing.

344
00:18:09,296 --> 00:18:11,423
And he became a stunt coordinator
and a choreographer as well.

345
00:18:11,465 --> 00:18:14,510
Switch your lead
to the right lead.

346
00:18:14,676 --> 00:18:18,806
By that time,
they were like this old married couple

347
00:18:19,014 --> 00:18:22,810
that bickered and fought, but
also, like, tight as can be.

348
00:18:23,018 --> 00:18:25,229
We used to call them
Dad and Uncle Dad.

349
00:18:25,437 --> 00:18:27,898
Before John Wick,
Chad and I had directed

350
00:18:28,065 --> 00:18:29,483
a lot of second unit together.

351
00:18:29,858 --> 00:18:31,902
And then our company
was getting so many calls

352
00:18:31,944 --> 00:18:33,529
that we started
to work separately.

353
00:18:33,695 --> 00:18:36,323
I was doing big second units.
He was doing big second units.

354
00:18:36,490 --> 00:18:38,408
Action.

355
00:18:38,617 --> 00:18:40,452
We were seeing each other every
day and talking every day.

356
00:18:40,619 --> 00:18:42,704
We'd riff different ideas
for choreography.

357
00:18:42,913 --> 00:18:45,833
He'd be on, like, TRON and be like,
"Hey, how do I do laser disc things?"

358
00:18:45,999 --> 00:18:48,961
And I'd be like, "There's some ideas,"
and bounce things off of each other.

359
00:18:53,090 --> 00:18:56,135
You start to realize,
"I'm telling one third of the story.

360
00:18:56,301 --> 00:18:58,720
I might as well tell
the whole story."

361
00:18:58,887 --> 00:19:00,556
Dave was already
going down the first unit director

362
00:19:00,597 --> 00:19:02,391
before I was actually.

363
00:19:02,891 --> 00:19:05,018
I was still, you know, pretty content
doing all the second unit stuff.

364
00:19:05,060 --> 00:19:07,312
I was really getting the itch,

365
00:19:07,771 --> 00:19:11,358
and I was, like, out there looking to
find scripts and get them developed,

366
00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,610
but to not much success.

367
00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:16,947
They were offered movies
left and right,

368
00:19:17,114 --> 00:19:19,908
but they were all like
the $5 million specials,

369
00:19:20,075 --> 00:19:21,243
and they
turned everything down.

370
00:19:21,410 --> 00:19:23,620
They were waiting
for the right, right project.

371
00:19:27,124 --> 00:19:29,042
At the time,

372
00:19:29,209 --> 00:19:33,255
I had finally optioned my first
screenplay to Voltage Pictures.

373
00:19:33,422 --> 00:19:36,550
It was 1,500 bucks which,
at the time, was two months' rent.

374
00:19:36,717 --> 00:19:38,677
And I was trying to figure out
what to do next.

375
00:19:38,844 --> 00:19:41,430
I remember just kind of going,
"I haven't done a revenge movie."

376
00:19:41,597 --> 00:19:42,890
And our neighbors
were heading out of town,

377
00:19:43,056 --> 00:19:45,184
and they had
just adopted a chorgi,

378
00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:48,187
which is a Chihuahua-corgi,
puppy named Moose.

379
00:19:48,353 --> 00:19:53,859
And I always write slouched in my
chair with a pillow across my chest,

380
00:19:54,026 --> 00:19:56,278
and the puppy
slept on the pillow.

381
00:19:57,613 --> 00:19:59,573
And I started writing,
and I'd be like,

382
00:19:59,740 --> 00:20:03,660
"Man, what if someone killed
this fucking puppy?"

383
00:20:03,869 --> 00:20:07,289
We had met Derek on a general meeting.
I'd read another script of his.

384
00:20:07,497 --> 00:20:11,460
And he pitched this. He's like, "I have
this action script I wrote called Scorn."

385
00:20:11,668 --> 00:20:15,339
I remember vividly reading it
that weekend and emailing Basil.

386
00:20:15,505 --> 00:20:18,091
I still have the email, and it was like,
"There's something about this script.

387
00:20:18,258 --> 00:20:19,635
I think it's 'cause
I love dogs.

388
00:20:19,843 --> 00:20:21,011
The villain's really thin,

389
00:20:21,345 --> 00:20:23,013
and it's not perfect
by any means,

390
00:20:23,055 --> 00:20:24,848
but I think
we should go for it."

391
00:20:25,057 --> 00:20:27,017
And he wrote back, "I agree."

392
00:20:27,226 --> 00:20:29,561
There was just a clean,
crazy hook.

393
00:20:29,728 --> 00:20:32,648
"You killed my dog,
and now I will exact revenge."

394
00:20:32,814 --> 00:20:35,108
I wrote it
with Paul Newman in mind.

395
00:20:35,275 --> 00:20:38,237
So, he was in his early 70s.
It was a Robert De Niro type.

396
00:20:38,403 --> 00:20:40,781
His wife dies, he gets the
dog, and the car is stolen,

397
00:20:40,948 --> 00:20:42,491
and he kicks some ass.

398
00:20:42,658 --> 00:20:46,662
The dog was the last tenuous
connection he had to his wife.

399
00:20:46,828 --> 00:20:51,124
But the body count was,
you know, less than two dozen.

400
00:20:51,250 --> 00:20:53,210
But I realized soon afterwards

401
00:20:53,627 --> 00:20:56,797
that I may have backed myself
into a corner because of the age.

402
00:20:56,838 --> 00:20:59,174
And so then I was thinking, "Okay,
do you go with slightly younger?

403
00:20:59,341 --> 00:21:01,260
You know,
what's that age underneath it?"

404
00:21:01,343 --> 00:21:03,595
Then we started
thinking about Keanu.

405
00:21:04,096 --> 00:21:07,057
Keanu's agent is Basil's best friend
from childhood and my first boss.

406
00:21:07,099 --> 00:21:10,852
And he was like, you know,
"Keanu is looking for something."

407
00:21:11,061 --> 00:21:16,358
He just did 47 Ronin and was
just finished shooting Man of Tai Chi.

408
00:21:16,525 --> 00:21:20,153
He's ready to lean
into his movie star-ness.

409
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,698
'Cause the thing about Keanu,
and a lot of actors like this,

410
00:21:22,864 --> 00:21:25,534
but especially Keanu,
when he feels like he's repeating himself,

411
00:21:25,701 --> 00:21:27,452
he runs the other way.

412
00:21:27,619 --> 00:21:29,913
And sometimes
you have to get an actor

413
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,917
when he or she is ready to give
the audience what they want.

414
00:21:34,084 --> 00:21:36,295
And Keanu was at a moment
in time where he's like,

415
00:21:36,461 --> 00:21:38,964
"I'm ready to be
an action star again."

416
00:21:39,131 --> 00:21:43,051
And so we met, and soon afterwards,
he attached himself to the project.

417
00:21:45,554 --> 00:21:48,181
We took about six months
of developing the script

418
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:50,892
with Keanu's notes
with Derek Kolstad.

419
00:21:51,059 --> 00:21:52,978
We spent a lot of time together
on that first one,

420
00:21:53,145 --> 00:21:56,857
and it was slow going,
like page, line by line.

421
00:21:57,024 --> 00:22:00,485
He spent just as much time on other
people's dialogue as he did on himself.

422
00:22:00,652 --> 00:22:04,573
At a certain point, it was like,
"Okay, how much longer could this go?"

423
00:22:04,698 --> 00:22:06,950
We could develop this forever.

424
00:22:07,409 --> 00:22:09,411
And then, always-- there's always an
inflection point on these movies, right,

425
00:22:09,453 --> 00:22:11,830
in development, when you develop
with an actor, where you go,

426
00:22:11,997 --> 00:22:13,707
"Okay,
can we bring a director on?"

427
00:22:13,915 --> 00:22:17,002
And he said yes.

428
00:22:17,169 --> 00:22:20,464
But in the period of our development,
couple things happened, unfortunately.

429
00:22:20,672 --> 00:22:23,175
47 Ronin came out,
and it didn't do well.

430
00:22:23,383 --> 00:22:26,303
Man of Tai Chi came out
and disappointed.

431
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:30,974
So the narrative that Keanu Reeves
is an action star just evaporated.

432
00:22:31,141 --> 00:22:34,478
And all of a sudden, our director
list went from here to like here.

433
00:22:34,644 --> 00:22:38,857
We're gonna have to really work hard
to find a proper director for this.

434
00:22:39,066 --> 00:22:41,234
Keanu was like, "Listen,
I'm gonna give the movie

435
00:22:41,401 --> 00:22:44,237
to Chad and Dave for second unit.
They're action directors.

436
00:22:45,030 --> 00:22:46,948
What if they directed?"

437
00:22:47,157 --> 00:22:51,953
So, from my notes from an email,
in the forensics of John Wick,

438
00:22:52,037 --> 00:22:53,830
you met with Basil.

439
00:22:54,331 --> 00:22:57,084
I wanted you and Dave pitched
to them to be the directors

440
00:22:57,125 --> 00:23:00,545
on April 29th, 2013.

441
00:23:00,712 --> 00:23:02,672
A week before,
you had sent me the script.

442
00:23:02,881 --> 00:23:04,216
-Yeah.
-And we had talked.

443
00:23:04,508 --> 00:23:06,051
-And we had talked.
-Well, you had sent it to me

444
00:23:06,093 --> 00:23:08,553
-for the action.
-For the action. Yeah.

445
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,764
-I was like, "Yeah"--
-Well, no, I had called for action,

446
00:23:10,931 --> 00:23:13,600
but then I think you
came back to me saying,

447
00:23:13,767 --> 00:23:16,103
"Dave and I
would like to direct it."

448
00:23:16,311 --> 00:23:18,480
Oh, no. I think you smiled and
went, "Yeah, that's why you're..."

449
00:23:18,688 --> 00:23:20,774
Yeah. And so,
then I was like, Basil--

450
00:23:20,941 --> 00:23:23,777
-You were manipulating us.
-I was...

451
00:23:23,944 --> 00:23:25,278
But I was hoping.

452
00:23:25,695 --> 00:23:28,949
And then I saw
from Basil's email to me,

453
00:23:28,990 --> 00:23:33,120
he wrote, "Best
directors meeting he's had."

454
00:23:33,328 --> 00:23:36,081
We put together
this incredible lookbook here,

455
00:23:36,289 --> 00:23:41,628
and we started to sort of build the
worlds of John Wick in the way we saw it.

456
00:23:41,837 --> 00:23:45,966
It was a lot more stylized than
I think anyone saw on the page.

457
00:23:46,133 --> 00:23:48,844
-Peace. He's looking for peace.
-Look at that shot of Keanu.

458
00:23:49,010 --> 00:23:50,929
Emotional connection.

459
00:23:51,138 --> 00:23:52,889
See, we said
all the right things.

460
00:23:53,056 --> 00:23:54,724
We talked about it
being a modern fable.

461
00:23:54,933 --> 00:23:57,519
We talked about this sort
of visual minimalism.

462
00:23:57,686 --> 00:24:00,313
She knew
he needed an attachment.

463
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,067
Yep. And that was a whole week
of casting for Daisy.

464
00:24:04,234 --> 00:24:06,945
We wanted to have a world
of, like, fun cars.

465
00:24:07,112 --> 00:24:12,117
We wanted to have sort of our
exploration of action and gun fu.

466
00:24:12,284 --> 00:24:15,120
Yeah, and again,
sort of the love letter to graphic novels

467
00:24:15,287 --> 00:24:17,372
and anime
and all of that that we love.

468
00:24:17,539 --> 00:24:21,168
Transformation.
Guns, lots of guns.

469
00:24:21,376 --> 00:24:25,338
Boogeyman. World.
New York City. The Continental.

470
00:24:25,547 --> 00:24:26,715
They just
didn't talk about the action.

471
00:24:26,756 --> 00:24:28,425
They talked about the emotion

472
00:24:28,925 --> 00:24:30,677
about what the world looked
like and about everything.

473
00:24:30,719 --> 00:24:32,512
I was blown away.

474
00:24:32,971 --> 00:24:36,141
This is-- It's a pretty
damn good lookbook.

475
00:24:36,183 --> 00:24:39,352
You have to remember, we saw John
Wick as like this tiny little thing.

476
00:24:39,519 --> 00:24:42,189
Two stunt guys directing, like, "No one's
ever gonna see this thing, so fuck it.

477
00:24:42,355 --> 00:24:45,901
We'll just try some weird ideas.
We'll use it like as a training exercise."

478
00:24:46,067 --> 00:24:49,571
And, you know,
then they said yes.

479
00:24:49,738 --> 00:24:52,199
And now we're like,
"We better know what we're doing."

480
00:24:52,407 --> 00:24:55,535
I remember thinking, "Oh, my God,
we got these two great action guys

481
00:24:55,702 --> 00:24:57,496
before anyone else
can get them.

482
00:24:57,537 --> 00:24:59,414
What a home run."

483
00:24:59,956 --> 00:25:01,958
And I'll never forget,
like three weeks after we hire them,

484
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,586
Ed Pressman, the famous Ed
Pressman who's since passed away,

485
00:25:04,753 --> 00:25:07,088
calls me
about something else.

486
00:25:07,255 --> 00:25:10,425
And he goes, "You stole my directors."
I'm like, "What do you mean?"

487
00:25:10,592 --> 00:25:13,386
"Yeah, we're about to go into prep
on a movie that I was producing.

488
00:25:13,553 --> 00:25:14,846
They were gonna direct it."

489
00:25:15,013 --> 00:25:16,139
I'm like, "What movie?"

490
00:25:16,181 --> 00:25:17,807
And they're like...

491
00:25:18,391 --> 00:25:20,852
It was a movie like Midnight
Run with Jean-Claude Van Damme

492
00:25:20,894 --> 00:25:23,271
and PSY
from "Gangnam Style."

493
00:25:23,438 --> 00:25:25,899
And I'm like, "Those are the directors
I got? That was the other option?"

494
00:25:28,985 --> 00:25:32,405
Uh, the shorter the beard is,
the harder it is to make it look real.

495
00:25:32,572 --> 00:25:33,907
Well, we would want it
to be a bushy one.

496
00:25:34,074 --> 00:25:35,408
Okay. Right, right.

497
00:25:35,617 --> 00:25:39,538
I mean, we have to make
some hard choices.

498
00:25:39,704 --> 00:25:42,165
I mean, I was just like
pulling, like what is--

499
00:25:42,374 --> 00:25:44,668
I didn't know what exactly.

500
00:25:44,834 --> 00:25:47,295
Are they more
in this happiness?

501
00:25:47,462 --> 00:25:48,838
Yes, this is
more in their happiness.

502
00:25:49,005 --> 00:25:50,257
-We're hoping for that.
-Okay, okay.

503
00:25:50,423 --> 00:25:51,925
And of course,
what I worry about this is,

504
00:25:52,092 --> 00:25:55,220
you can see it on this side,
is how patchy that beard is.

505
00:25:55,387 --> 00:25:56,972
I mean,
that doesn't bother me.

506
00:25:57,138 --> 00:25:59,140
If you guys can live with that,
because if we get that short,

507
00:25:59,307 --> 00:26:00,600
I can't add hairs
to fill that in.

508
00:26:00,767 --> 00:26:02,352
That doesn't bother me.
This bothers me.

509
00:26:02,769 --> 00:26:03,979
Anything we do
is gonna get a picture taken

510
00:26:04,020 --> 00:26:05,730
and sent to people
making a decision.

511
00:26:05,897 --> 00:26:06,731
They'll approve
and we'll figure it out.

512
00:26:06,898 --> 00:26:08,358
We want the beard.

513
00:26:08,525 --> 00:26:10,235
The distributor
wants him not to have a beard.

514
00:26:10,527 --> 00:26:13,488
Like he's supposed to be the
Keanu Reeves of The Matrix.

515
00:26:13,530 --> 00:26:16,157
And we're afraid to shave
it off because, you know,

516
00:26:16,324 --> 00:26:19,619
he's done that look
a million times.

517
00:26:19,786 --> 00:26:22,539
Unfortunately, they're distributing
the movie and have sold it foreign,

518
00:26:22,747 --> 00:26:25,125
and they know
what their people want, so...

519
00:26:25,292 --> 00:26:27,669
-I guess nobody cares what we want.
-Asia hates beards.

520
00:26:27,877 --> 00:26:29,754
I know.

521
00:26:29,963 --> 00:26:31,256
-Asia hates--
-That's what they said.

522
00:26:31,423 --> 00:26:32,591
If we leave a beard,
no one's gonna see the movie.

523
00:26:32,757 --> 00:26:34,175
The movie's gonna flop.

524
00:26:34,342 --> 00:26:36,261
Can't be
a first-time director--

525
00:26:36,428 --> 00:26:39,264
"First-time directors, you want to hang
it out there and have a beard? Okay."

526
00:26:41,308 --> 00:26:43,059
Bye-bye, John Wick.

527
00:26:44,853 --> 00:26:46,730
Partial bye-bye.
We're not going bye-bye all the way yet.

528
00:26:46,896 --> 00:26:48,648
Yeah, no.
It's like, "Hello, new John Wick."

529
00:26:55,322 --> 00:26:57,741
So,
this is the next guard down.

530
00:26:58,950 --> 00:27:01,119
Still looks like a beard.

531
00:27:01,328 --> 00:27:03,163
That's what I'm concerned about
too, and what they're gonna think.

532
00:27:03,288 --> 00:27:06,625
Looks just like a beard.

533
00:27:06,791 --> 00:27:08,752
-Go to the next level?
-Gotta go to the next level.

534
00:27:09,461 --> 00:27:10,962
Go one more down?

535
00:27:11,129 --> 00:27:12,297
Well, that's beard.

536
00:27:14,424 --> 00:27:16,176
-We're all just like, holding on.
-I know.

537
00:27:16,343 --> 00:27:19,179
They were pretty
straightforward about...

538
00:27:19,387 --> 00:27:20,555
-No beard.
-Yeah.

539
00:27:20,722 --> 00:27:21,723
Yeah.

540
00:27:32,067 --> 00:27:33,568
We're going to get
action out of the hair.

541
00:27:33,735 --> 00:27:35,236
Gotta get it a little bushy.

542
00:27:36,988 --> 00:27:37,656
A little...

543
00:27:41,701 --> 00:27:42,702
Okay.

544
00:27:47,332 --> 00:27:48,667
Chuck it! Chuck it! Chuck it!

545
00:27:52,462 --> 00:27:54,214
The suit
definitely helps.

546
00:27:54,422 --> 00:27:55,674
It's all about the suit.

547
00:27:57,342 --> 00:27:58,677
It's all about the suit.

548
00:28:04,974 --> 00:28:06,434
Tomorrow will
be the first day, right?

549
00:28:06,601 --> 00:28:08,186
Tomorrow will be the first day.

550
00:28:08,353 --> 00:28:10,230
Tomorrow will be
the first day of photography.

551
00:28:10,397 --> 00:28:13,692
We are looking at
the John Wick house,

552
00:28:13,900 --> 00:28:16,861
and it's sort of three-quarters
of the way dressed.

553
00:28:17,028 --> 00:28:19,572
And we're gonna block
some scenes here

554
00:28:19,739 --> 00:28:22,325
and be ready
to shoot tomorrow, hopefully.

555
00:28:22,492 --> 00:28:23,785
We're getting on with it.

556
00:28:28,623 --> 00:28:30,792
What does it say?

557
00:28:31,751 --> 00:28:33,128
We're shooting on Monday?

558
00:28:35,171 --> 00:28:36,464
Oh. Peter Lawson.

559
00:28:40,176 --> 00:28:40,927
Pete.

560
00:28:43,346 --> 00:28:44,723
I'm great.
I just got the email.

561
00:28:46,641 --> 00:28:50,103
We are temporarily shut down
until further notice.

562
00:28:50,311 --> 00:28:52,856
It seems our equity investor

563
00:28:53,022 --> 00:28:57,026
who had to come up with
the 6.5 to cover the gap,

564
00:28:57,235 --> 00:29:00,196
um, he's five and a half short.

565
00:29:02,699 --> 00:29:06,453
We had some financiers
coming in to gap finance

566
00:29:06,661 --> 00:29:09,789
because Lionsgate
presold the international,

567
00:29:09,956 --> 00:29:12,792
but there was still a delta of
what we needed to make the movie.

568
00:29:12,959 --> 00:29:15,837
No one was ready to get onboard
for the domestic.

569
00:29:16,045 --> 00:29:18,131
So it was really
something that, you know,

570
00:29:18,298 --> 00:29:19,966
we were gonna have to figure
out how to find the money.

571
00:29:21,551 --> 00:29:23,636
I mean, maybe if
we get Lionsgate onboard,

572
00:29:23,803 --> 00:29:27,348
and they take the domestic,
and we could keep moving forward,

573
00:29:27,515 --> 00:29:29,809
but I doubt it at this point.

574
00:29:29,976 --> 00:29:31,853
I think everyone's just gonna
have to take a kick in the nuts,

575
00:29:32,061 --> 00:29:33,980
and it's all probably
gonna fall apart.

576
00:29:35,148 --> 00:29:36,816
That's what I think.

577
00:29:36,983 --> 00:29:42,655
I think this is, uh,
the nail in the coffin. So...

578
00:29:42,822 --> 00:29:45,241
-You think so, really?
-Yeah, I do.

579
00:29:45,408 --> 00:29:47,702
-Wait, hold on.
-No, I mean, I do.

580
00:29:47,911 --> 00:29:49,871
I'm not trying
to be dramatic for, you know,

581
00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:52,332
editorial reasons
for our documentary,

582
00:29:52,499 --> 00:29:56,586
but I don't know how you find
six-and-a-half million dollars by Monday.

583
00:30:02,717 --> 00:30:05,887
What little I know of
Basil, I know he's not a quitter, so...

584
00:30:06,095 --> 00:30:08,389
He's a bit of a fighter,
so we're not dead yet.

585
00:30:10,058 --> 00:30:13,061
We are doomed. I mean,
we are completely fucked.

586
00:30:15,021 --> 00:30:17,816
We just had a gigantic hole.
There was just... The money wasn't coming.

587
00:30:17,982 --> 00:30:22,320
And I spoke to my lawyer and I'm like,
"Well, say, if this movie falls apart,

588
00:30:22,403 --> 00:30:23,947
who's gonna sue me?"

589
00:30:24,322 --> 00:30:28,451
And he's like, "IATSE, SAG,
the WGA, DGA." This...

590
00:30:28,493 --> 00:30:30,203
It was, like, horrendous.

591
00:30:30,703 --> 00:30:32,413
And he's like, "Listen,
you gotta just get this movie made."

592
00:30:32,455 --> 00:30:33,915
Say if I was
to give you like six million--

593
00:30:34,123 --> 00:30:35,750
Hey, hon?
Can I call you back?

594
00:30:35,959 --> 00:30:38,044
I got Keanu on the other line,
so I need to talk to him.

595
00:30:39,170 --> 00:30:40,839
Thanks, hon. Bye.

596
00:30:41,047 --> 00:30:43,842
Hang on one second.
He's on the phone.

597
00:30:44,425 --> 00:30:45,677
Hello.

598
00:30:48,930 --> 00:30:50,431
What's going on?
How you doing?

599
00:30:53,601 --> 00:30:55,854
Nice.
Did Basil give you a call?

600
00:30:59,399 --> 00:31:01,860
He did not, huh? You haven't
talked to anybody in the office?

601
00:31:04,362 --> 00:31:06,906
Excellent. They're
probably stalling on him.

602
00:31:09,951 --> 00:31:12,203
-It's... Yeah, I...
-Fucking...

603
00:31:12,745 --> 00:31:16,082
I'm a little annoyed,
so I think I'll just tell you myself.

604
00:31:16,124 --> 00:31:17,876
They've had a problem
with their gap finance.

605
00:31:18,042 --> 00:31:19,961
They're coming in.

606
00:31:20,253 --> 00:31:22,255
We've recalled everybody,
and they've pushed us again.

607
00:31:24,382 --> 00:31:26,467
I'm sure they're scrambling
trying to figure something out.

608
00:31:26,634 --> 00:31:29,012
We have a few options around.

609
00:31:29,262 --> 00:31:32,473
Luckily, we know a few people, so we'll
try and close the gap as fast as we can.

610
00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:37,395
So we'll get back to the office
probably in the next 45 minutes,

611
00:31:37,604 --> 00:31:40,273
storm into the office
and try to retake the beach.

612
00:31:42,901 --> 00:31:44,068
What did Keanu say?

613
00:31:46,446 --> 00:31:49,908
You know,
Keanu is a little different.

614
00:31:50,074 --> 00:31:51,910
When he yells and screams,
it's a good thing.

615
00:31:54,203 --> 00:31:56,122
When he gets really,
really, really quiet...

616
00:31:56,289 --> 00:31:57,790
Was he getting really quiet?

617
00:31:57,999 --> 00:32:00,919
He was the most quiet
I've ever heard him.

618
00:32:11,429 --> 00:32:13,598
I reckon we'll lose about
20% of the crew.

619
00:32:14,682 --> 00:32:16,809
There's already people gone.

620
00:32:17,018 --> 00:32:18,686
A big part
of the production office

621
00:32:18,853 --> 00:32:20,438
just stopped coming in to work.

622
00:32:20,647 --> 00:32:22,398
But then another part of
the production office came in,

623
00:32:22,565 --> 00:32:23,942
and they would come
in my office, and like,

624
00:32:24,108 --> 00:32:26,402
"Do you feel confident
the money will come?"

625
00:32:26,569 --> 00:32:28,571
And I'm like, "I do."

626
00:32:28,738 --> 00:32:34,327
Uh, now, I was lying
because I had no idea.

627
00:32:36,162 --> 00:32:38,164
So much so, I had to give my
credit card to the costume designer

628
00:32:38,331 --> 00:32:42,377
to buy wardrobe, and it was
really, really, really dodgy.

629
00:32:42,543 --> 00:32:48,049
Any chance of reducing the budget
by six-and-a-half million dollars

630
00:32:48,091 --> 00:32:49,425
and making the movie happen?

631
00:32:49,801 --> 00:32:51,678
That script would
look radically different,

632
00:32:51,803 --> 00:32:54,764
and then you'd have to go back to
all of your international buyers

633
00:32:54,931 --> 00:33:00,979
and go, "Hey, you paid us, you know,
250,000 for the rights in Germany,

634
00:33:01,145 --> 00:33:03,189
but this is the script
you're getting now."

635
00:33:03,398 --> 00:33:06,234
And then everyone can go,
"I don't want that script.

636
00:33:06,401 --> 00:33:08,194
-I wanted the one that I bought."
-Right.

637
00:33:08,361 --> 00:33:10,321
And so, you kind of
have to keep the integrity.

638
00:33:10,488 --> 00:33:12,031
You can change it.

639
00:33:12,198 --> 00:33:13,866
Slightly, but not--

640
00:33:14,075 --> 00:33:16,035
-Yeah.
-Six million dollars.

641
00:33:20,415 --> 00:33:23,084
Keanu gave back money,
Chad and I gave back money.

642
00:33:23,251 --> 00:33:26,462
Like, we all gave back money of our
salaries to try and close the gap.

643
00:33:27,922 --> 00:33:29,841
I think Keanu had to defer
and write a check...

644
00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:31,676
Yeah.
Some of that going on.

645
00:33:31,843 --> 00:33:33,344
...just to keep
our department heads.

646
00:33:34,595 --> 00:33:36,139
I remember
I would walk to my hotel

647
00:33:36,347 --> 00:33:39,851
from the production office
for hours because I was like,

648
00:33:40,018 --> 00:33:43,730
"I need to get so tired so when I
get back to the hotel, I pass out."

649
00:33:43,938 --> 00:33:46,232
Because if I don't,
I'm gonna sit there and I'm gonna be like,

650
00:33:46,399 --> 00:33:48,443
"I'm fucked, I'm fucked,
I'm fucked, I'm fucked."

651
00:33:48,609 --> 00:33:49,986
We gotta fucking start.

652
00:33:50,194 --> 00:33:52,447
If we don't have
guys on planes by Monday,

653
00:33:52,572 --> 00:33:54,699
you might as well cut the end sequence.
It's gonna be a gunfight.

654
00:33:56,701 --> 00:33:58,911
We've already
pushed for seven days

655
00:33:59,078 --> 00:34:03,332
and that's like a half million
dollars' worth of money

656
00:34:03,499 --> 00:34:05,835
that just went out
the fucking window

657
00:34:06,002 --> 00:34:10,423
when the mo-- when we
were 600 short to start.

658
00:34:11,924 --> 00:34:12,967
It's a fucking mess.

659
00:34:16,929 --> 00:34:20,600
And then, out of
nowhere, the money came through.

660
00:34:27,982 --> 00:34:30,610
Should be fully
financed by tomorrow.

661
00:34:32,653 --> 00:34:34,238
Ready to shoot on Friday.

662
00:34:35,448 --> 00:34:37,533
We were blessed.

663
00:34:37,700 --> 00:34:40,620
It was insane that we pulled this
off in the amount of time we did.

664
00:34:40,787 --> 00:34:42,747
It's gonna be...
This movie's about vengeance.

665
00:34:42,955 --> 00:34:44,582
Not John Wick's.

666
00:34:44,749 --> 00:34:46,292
Ours.

667
00:34:46,459 --> 00:34:48,044
And then we find out
while we're shooting

668
00:34:48,211 --> 00:34:49,921
that the money
was never from this guy,

669
00:34:50,088 --> 00:34:52,006
but it was
Eva Longoria's money.

670
00:34:52,215 --> 00:34:57,261
And I didn't tell Keanu
until after the movie wrapped

671
00:34:57,428 --> 00:34:59,472
because I didn't want him to be like,
"What the hell is going on here?"

672
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,600
So yeah,
if you look at John Wick 1,

673
00:35:02,767 --> 00:35:06,104
Eva Longoria, thank God,
pretty much saved the movie.

674
00:35:07,939 --> 00:35:09,982
We got through it,

675
00:35:10,525 --> 00:35:12,693
but I think that it broke a little
bit of Chad and Dave's spirit

676
00:35:12,735 --> 00:35:15,154
because they were
first-time directors,

677
00:35:15,321 --> 00:35:18,282
and they didn't realize that
sometimes this is the game.

678
00:35:18,449 --> 00:35:20,827
Things happen, especially
in independent movies.

679
00:35:20,993 --> 00:35:25,248
And so, we went into shooting the movie.
We were already exhausted as we started.

680
00:35:27,250 --> 00:35:28,876
I mean, I remember
when I got to New York, and I...

681
00:35:29,043 --> 00:35:30,920
You know, I like to visit
the production office.

682
00:35:31,003 --> 00:35:32,964
-See what's going on.
-Yeah.

683
00:35:33,464 --> 00:35:37,844
And I took John Saunders,
who was the first AD, and I was like,

684
00:35:37,885 --> 00:35:40,221
"John, let's look at the board," you
know, the shooting schedule.

685
00:35:40,388 --> 00:35:42,348
I remember that.
You wanted to see the schedule.

686
00:35:42,515 --> 00:35:44,392
-Yeah.
-You're a schedule whore.

687
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:47,019
And I was just like,
"How are we... We can't shoot that.

688
00:35:47,228 --> 00:35:48,563
Like, how are we
gonna do that?"

689
00:35:48,729 --> 00:35:49,939
I remember you just
were shaking your head.

690
00:35:50,106 --> 00:35:52,275
I was like,
"No, we need more days."

691
00:35:52,733 --> 00:35:54,819
And he's like, "I know." I'm
like, "We need to get more days."

692
00:35:56,195 --> 00:35:58,990
We could not wrap
our head around what could go.

693
00:35:59,157 --> 00:36:00,867
How do we do that?
How do we do this?

694
00:36:01,075 --> 00:36:03,911
And Keanu couldn't,
and the writer couldn't,

695
00:36:04,078 --> 00:36:06,205
and the producers couldn't.

696
00:36:06,789 --> 00:36:08,916
So we're like, "We're just gonna
make the movie with less time."

697
00:36:10,293 --> 00:36:12,295
You know,
we laugh and joke about it's just a movie,

698
00:36:12,503 --> 00:36:15,423
but we all know, every crew member
knows that you take it really seriously.

699
00:36:15,590 --> 00:36:17,675
You wanna do
the best job you can.

700
00:36:17,884 --> 00:36:19,552
You don't wanna let down the people
that stuck their neck out for you,

701
00:36:19,677 --> 00:36:21,721
so you put a lot of pressure
on yourself to do it.

702
00:36:21,888 --> 00:36:25,558
I mean, at the end of the day,
we had known Keanu for like the ten years,

703
00:36:25,766 --> 00:36:28,186
eight years at the time
from all the Matrixes.

704
00:36:28,352 --> 00:36:30,396
But it's still Keanu Reeves.

705
00:36:30,563 --> 00:36:31,772
You don't wanna let this guy down.
Like, he's a pro, man.

706
00:36:31,939 --> 00:36:33,691
This is Keanu-fucking-Reeves.

707
00:36:33,858 --> 00:36:35,276
Like, you do not
wanna let him down

708
00:36:35,443 --> 00:36:38,487
no matter what you think
the movie's gonna be.

709
00:36:38,654 --> 00:36:41,365
So we decided to give it our all and
put a lot of stress on ourselves.

710
00:36:41,532 --> 00:36:43,576
Guys, gotta keep moving.
Gotta keep moving.

711
00:36:43,743 --> 00:36:45,203
-Rolling!
-Rolling!

712
00:36:46,704 --> 00:36:47,580
Action!

713
00:36:50,208 --> 00:36:53,419
We were just
assaulted with problems.

714
00:36:53,586 --> 00:36:54,754
Go, go, go.

715
00:36:54,921 --> 00:36:56,255
Shoot, shoot.

716
00:37:01,594 --> 00:37:03,596
Problems
from different departments

717
00:37:03,763 --> 00:37:05,014
and then budgetary problems.

718
00:37:05,181 --> 00:37:07,183
Gotta figure out
what scenes we can cut.

719
00:37:09,352 --> 00:37:11,771
The usual on John Wick,
what scenes we can cut.

720
00:37:13,147 --> 00:37:14,398
'Cause we never
have time to shoot 'em all.

721
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:18,653
In low-budget filmmaking,
you have to be in your own movies.

722
00:37:18,861 --> 00:37:21,614
I would like to say this was a
creative choice, but it was budgetary.

723
00:37:21,781 --> 00:37:24,158
And then logistically shooting
in New York problems.

724
00:37:24,367 --> 00:37:26,786
Excuse me,
you gotta keep moving. Active walkway.

725
00:37:29,622 --> 00:37:32,333
I think it was just
the movie gods hated us.

726
00:37:32,541 --> 00:37:35,962
So we are on the cover
of the New York Post today.

727
00:37:36,170 --> 00:37:40,258
Vinny's fine work in the
prop department is featured.

728
00:37:41,425 --> 00:37:43,261
Makeup's fine work.
Hair's fine work.

729
00:37:45,638 --> 00:37:47,848
-The all-hands-on-deck...
-That really helps.

730
00:37:48,057 --> 00:37:50,601
...on John Wick 1
was extraordinary.

731
00:37:50,810 --> 00:37:54,605
When we went in to start crewing up,
I mean, we were a tiny little movie.

732
00:37:54,814 --> 00:37:58,567
No one was sure if we were gonna go.
So, we couldn't really book a lot of crew.

733
00:37:58,776 --> 00:38:00,528
So, it was catch-as-catch-can
with the crew.

734
00:38:00,695 --> 00:38:02,738
We just take interviews and
whoever was kind of available,

735
00:38:02,905 --> 00:38:04,448
whatever we... You know.

736
00:38:04,615 --> 00:38:05,950
People had to cut their rates.

737
00:38:06,117 --> 00:38:08,244
And then
for the prop department

738
00:38:08,411 --> 00:38:12,373
we got, no joke,
Vinny Mazzarella and Joey.

739
00:38:12,456 --> 00:38:14,333
-Yeah, Joey Coppola.
-Joey Coppola.

740
00:38:14,834 --> 00:38:17,670
I mean, Vinny Mazzarella and Joey
Coppola, those were our prop masters.

741
00:38:17,712 --> 00:38:21,507
And they were just the coolest
guys, and they just got it.

742
00:38:21,674 --> 00:38:25,720
I mean, Vinny, like, stopping--
Like, we needed a garbage truck.

743
00:38:25,886 --> 00:38:29,724
And he's running on the street.
He's running down the street.

744
00:38:29,932 --> 00:38:32,435
2:00 a.m.
in Chinatown in New York on John Wick 2,

745
00:38:32,643 --> 00:38:35,938
we decided we wanted a garbage truck
to come in the alley and back like--

746
00:38:36,105 --> 00:38:37,982
Yeah, back John Wick up.

747
00:38:38,149 --> 00:38:40,067
Vinny just said,
"What do you guys got in your pockets?"

748
00:38:40,234 --> 00:38:41,527
-We gave him a couple twenties.
-Yeah.

749
00:38:41,694 --> 00:38:43,738
He came back in five minutes
with a garbage truck.

750
00:38:43,904 --> 00:38:45,531
With a garbage truck.

751
00:38:45,698 --> 00:38:47,700
He paid the city garbage
truck driver a hundred bucks.

752
00:38:50,494 --> 00:38:52,413
I mean,
you make connections on films,

753
00:38:52,913 --> 00:38:54,832
but the connections that were
made on this were really special.

754
00:38:54,874 --> 00:38:56,417
They were pretty good.
Yeah, we got lucky.

755
00:38:56,625 --> 00:38:58,544
-Personal and creative.
-Yep.

756
00:38:58,711 --> 00:39:00,588
-You know?
-Good people.

757
00:39:00,755 --> 00:39:03,716
Loving, who love their work,
who are amazing at what they do.

758
00:39:03,883 --> 00:39:05,718
And they love the pain.

759
00:39:05,885 --> 00:39:07,595
And they--
And who love the pain.

760
00:39:07,762 --> 00:39:09,347
They love to suffer.

761
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:23,944
Literally the day before
we started shooting,

762
00:39:25,279 --> 00:39:28,282
I saw Chad in the corner
like brooding, angry.

763
00:39:28,491 --> 00:39:30,284
I went to Dave, I'm like,
"What's Chad upset about?

764
00:39:30,493 --> 00:39:32,536
Like, somebody from the movie?"
He's like, "No, it's his wife,"

765
00:39:32,703 --> 00:39:34,830
and this and that.
I'm like, "What do you mean?"

766
00:39:34,997 --> 00:39:36,665
He's like, "Yeah,
I think they're separating."

767
00:39:36,874 --> 00:39:39,043
I'm like,
"Now?" This movie?

768
00:39:39,210 --> 00:39:42,213
We just got through hell
financing the movie.

769
00:39:42,380 --> 00:39:43,464
I wasn't getting paid.

770
00:39:43,672 --> 00:39:45,174
Not only
was I not getting paid,

771
00:39:45,341 --> 00:39:48,052
I took money out of our house
to fill some holes.

772
00:39:48,219 --> 00:39:50,137
And I'm like, "How can this be?

773
00:39:50,304 --> 00:39:52,348
How many more hits
can this movie take?"

774
00:39:53,557 --> 00:39:55,142
-Hey.
-Hey. How are you?

775
00:39:55,351 --> 00:39:57,228
And I spoke to Chad about it.

776
00:39:57,395 --> 00:39:58,604
I'm just like, "I don't care
what you're going through.

777
00:39:58,979 --> 00:40:01,357
You gotta just suck it up
and get through this."

778
00:40:01,399 --> 00:40:03,234
And he's like, "Absolutely,
don't worry about it."

779
00:40:03,401 --> 00:40:05,611
He's like, "I'll be dark
and self-loathing in private."

780
00:40:07,655 --> 00:40:10,366
We went through
a horrible breakup.

781
00:40:10,533 --> 00:40:12,618
So I did the whole movie
separated from Heidi.

782
00:40:14,203 --> 00:40:16,330
When he's locked in
on something,

783
00:40:16,539 --> 00:40:20,209
when he's focused, it's really
hard to penetrate the wall, right?

784
00:40:20,376 --> 00:40:24,004
So, I think in a relationship,
you know, it's hard,

785
00:40:24,171 --> 00:40:26,924
because when you're looking
for an emotional connection,

786
00:40:27,133 --> 00:40:30,553
or you're looking for some kind
of, you know, something,

787
00:40:30,761 --> 00:40:33,180
and he's just laser focused on
something, you can't get through.

788
00:40:33,347 --> 00:40:35,141
She felt
she needed something more,

789
00:40:35,307 --> 00:40:37,518
and fortunately
I agreed with her.

790
00:40:37,726 --> 00:40:39,395
And then we managed
to get back together again,

791
00:40:39,562 --> 00:40:42,857
of course after post
when I have all this time,

792
00:40:43,065 --> 00:40:47,570
only to get divorced
on John Wick 2.

793
00:40:47,778 --> 00:40:50,906
So, you can see I'm laughing
at my own complete ineptitude

794
00:40:51,073 --> 00:40:52,491
to sort that out
and balance my life.

795
00:40:55,786 --> 00:40:58,164
What was really
frustrating for me was that,

796
00:40:58,372 --> 00:41:00,291
when we got
our one fucking chance

797
00:41:00,458 --> 00:41:03,586
that I personally had been working
on potentially a lot harder than you

798
00:41:03,794 --> 00:41:07,465
to get out there in the director
world, and you're gonna blow it up.

799
00:41:09,091 --> 00:41:12,136
It was hard for me to be empathetic
'cause it didn't feel fair.

800
00:41:12,261 --> 00:41:14,430
Two weeks in, Basil called
me on a Sunday and was like,

801
00:41:14,847 --> 00:41:18,350
"You need to be in New York.
These two are not talking to each other."

802
00:41:18,392 --> 00:41:20,686
I actually thought
that two first-time directors

803
00:41:20,853 --> 00:41:23,355
would be better than one
first-time director because,

804
00:41:23,522 --> 00:41:26,650
you know, two sets of hands,
you get more done than one set of hands.

805
00:41:26,817 --> 00:41:28,694
Their disagreements seemed
like it was a progression

806
00:41:28,861 --> 00:41:31,113
through the course of shooting.

807
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,367
It's almost like the outside enemy of
getting the film produced was gone,

808
00:41:35,576 --> 00:41:37,620
so now
the infighting could start.

809
00:41:37,828 --> 00:41:41,707
I remember they spent an hour
fighting over colors of bedsheets.

810
00:41:41,874 --> 00:41:44,793
Fucking, it's supposed to be a fucking
cool, hip place where you wanna be.

811
00:41:45,002 --> 00:41:49,340
And it's like a fucking
lavender purple fucking thing.

812
00:41:49,507 --> 00:41:51,759
You know, in retrospect,
I was naive to be surprised.

813
00:41:51,926 --> 00:41:53,594
I think we
probably argued every day.

814
00:41:53,802 --> 00:41:55,429
But I don't think
it was an actual argument.

815
00:41:55,471 --> 00:41:57,389
I think it was we were both
stressed out,

816
00:41:57,932 --> 00:41:59,683
and we kind of took it out each other
'cause when you love each other,

817
00:41:59,725 --> 00:42:01,352
those are the people
you take it out on first.

818
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:03,229
You know what,
do your fucking job.

819
00:42:03,646 --> 00:42:06,524
Making that movie was like
watching my parents get divorced.

820
00:42:06,565 --> 00:42:10,069
We would wrap at like 3:00 in the morning,
and I would like cry walking home,

821
00:42:10,236 --> 00:42:12,029
being like, "What is this?"

822
00:42:12,238 --> 00:42:14,615
It's horrible, man.

823
00:42:14,782 --> 00:42:18,035
It's like Mom and Dad fighting all
the time. I'm gonna need counseling.

824
00:42:18,202 --> 00:42:19,954
They're busy thinking.

825
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:21,956
I think they're working out
their information for the day

826
00:42:22,122 --> 00:42:24,375
in their heads, maybe.

827
00:42:24,667 --> 00:42:26,585
At least that's what I'm hoping that
they're doing during the silence.

828
00:42:26,669 --> 00:42:29,838
It wasn't about creativity.
It was about management styles.

829
00:42:29,922 --> 00:42:31,507
And I think that Chad,

830
00:42:32,007 --> 00:42:34,760
he gets a lot of juice by
blowing things up for a second

831
00:42:34,802 --> 00:42:37,805
and then having people run
to put them back together.

832
00:42:37,972 --> 00:42:40,140
And I just
don't operate that way.

833
00:42:41,475 --> 00:42:43,769
Do you like this
or do you like that?

834
00:42:43,936 --> 00:42:47,982
Does he put anything in his...
He takes his coffee black?

835
00:42:48,148 --> 00:42:50,067
-Black like his snot.
-Like his soul.

836
00:42:50,359 --> 00:42:51,485
Like his soul.

837
00:42:51,694 --> 00:42:53,612
How about that.

838
00:42:53,821 --> 00:42:55,155
Is he
a single serving kinda guy?

839
00:42:55,406 --> 00:42:58,784
The irony of John Wick 1
was Chad and Dave were really,

840
00:42:58,909 --> 00:43:01,036
really, really comfortable
with the action sequences.

841
00:43:01,203 --> 00:43:03,497
The dramatic sequences
and the acting sequences,

842
00:43:03,664 --> 00:43:05,583
they were less so,
because they'd never really done it.

843
00:43:05,749 --> 00:43:08,502
And so, it was a strange paradox
from what you usually deal with

844
00:43:08,669 --> 00:43:10,504
from first-time directors.

845
00:43:10,713 --> 00:43:12,631
Usually, first-time directors get
overwhelmed by action sequences,

846
00:43:12,798 --> 00:43:15,926
and the performance stuff comes naturally.
It was flipped on this movie.

847
00:43:16,135 --> 00:43:18,637
I think we shot inside the house
for like nine days, or seven days.

848
00:43:18,804 --> 00:43:21,223
-Yeah. No, we camped out there.
-There was a lot of John Wick moping around,

849
00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:23,309
and we're like,
"This is the character."

850
00:43:23,434 --> 00:43:25,019
-Remember how much we did?
-Yeah.

851
00:43:25,352 --> 00:43:27,980
Because he's
breaking up you two, right?

852
00:43:28,022 --> 00:43:29,231
He's breaking up your...

853
00:43:29,607 --> 00:43:30,983
Dave and I were so nervous

854
00:43:31,025 --> 00:43:33,027
that they were only
going to see us as stunt guys.

855
00:43:33,193 --> 00:43:34,945
We can't focus on the action.
We have to focus about the acting,

856
00:43:35,112 --> 00:43:37,448
and the emotion,
and the pain that this man is suffering.

857
00:43:37,615 --> 00:43:41,452
So we spent nine days
of a very small budget,

858
00:43:41,619 --> 00:43:45,122
very small schedule movie
of Keanu moping around,

859
00:43:45,289 --> 00:43:48,250
of Keanu cleaning out the closet
and packing his wife's clothes up,

860
00:43:48,417 --> 00:43:51,337
and sitting there staring into
the darkness and the abyss.

861
00:43:51,545 --> 00:43:55,674
I remember like on day three,
Keanu didn't say a word for three days.

862
00:43:55,841 --> 00:43:57,301
He'd wake up,

863
00:43:57,509 --> 00:43:58,677
brush his teeth,

864
00:43:58,844 --> 00:44:00,012
look into a mirror,

865
00:44:00,179 --> 00:44:01,096
go across the floor,

866
00:44:01,305 --> 00:44:02,514
fill a dog bowl,

867
00:44:02,723 --> 00:44:03,766
say, "Come over here,"

868
00:44:03,932 --> 00:44:05,517
wake up,

869
00:44:05,684 --> 00:44:08,020
and the footage
was like mind-numbingly boring.

870
00:44:08,187 --> 00:44:09,772
And it was endless.

871
00:44:09,938 --> 00:44:12,066
You have a lot of John Wick
eating cereal by himself.

872
00:44:12,232 --> 00:44:14,526
Book making, right?
Remember he did book restoration?

873
00:44:14,693 --> 00:44:17,488
I forgot that. We wanted to show
something, that he's very precise...

874
00:44:17,655 --> 00:44:19,323
-Precise.
-Methodical.

875
00:44:19,490 --> 00:44:22,868
So we shot for like two days
of Keanu doing bookbinding.

876
00:44:23,035 --> 00:44:26,205
That's how terrified we were of
being pigeonholed as action guys.

877
00:44:26,372 --> 00:44:28,666
Oh, the kick in the head.

878
00:44:30,209 --> 00:44:32,503
-I like this reaction.
-I do too.

879
00:44:32,670 --> 00:44:35,964
You don't see that reaction a lot with,
you know, like that kind of spasmy thing.

880
00:44:36,173 --> 00:44:38,676
You know, you fucking vapor lock
when you're in fucking pain.

881
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:41,845
-Oh, right, killing the dog.
-Yeah.

882
00:44:44,014 --> 00:44:45,933
Oof.

883
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:48,102
You should have heard that test
screening the first time. Oof.

884
00:44:48,268 --> 00:44:49,770
Never won that audience back.

885
00:44:49,978 --> 00:44:51,438
-Oh, yeah?
-Oh, yeah.

886
00:44:51,605 --> 00:44:53,565
Our first test screening--

887
00:44:53,732 --> 00:44:55,359
-How'd that go?
-That dog-- That dog went.

888
00:44:55,567 --> 00:44:57,361
The audience went quiet,

889
00:44:57,569 --> 00:44:59,947
and people were walking out.

890
00:45:00,114 --> 00:45:02,491
The movie was still pretty rough.
It was still really long.

891
00:45:02,658 --> 00:45:04,201
But yeah, it got weird.

892
00:45:04,410 --> 00:45:09,164
It is one of the most
famous principles in Hollywood

893
00:45:09,331 --> 00:45:10,749
is you never kill a dog.

894
00:45:10,916 --> 00:45:13,210
As soon as a dog is killed,

895
00:45:13,419 --> 00:45:18,340
you almost always are losing
a big chunk of the audience.

896
00:45:18,507 --> 00:45:21,510
-Oh, yeah, the blood shot.
-Yeah, blood shot.

897
00:45:21,677 --> 00:45:24,722
The puppy crawled his way back
to his owner before he died.

898
00:45:26,098 --> 00:45:27,599
When these dailies got back,

899
00:45:27,808 --> 00:45:30,144
we actually got
a stern talking to about,

900
00:45:30,310 --> 00:45:33,772
"Oh, fuck, you guys. What are you--
like, what the fuck are you guys doing?"

901
00:45:33,939 --> 00:45:35,149
You cannot kill the dog.

902
00:45:36,358 --> 00:45:39,570
"You're doing puppy porn,
like, gore."

903
00:45:39,737 --> 00:45:42,823
I'm like, "No, man, we got the baby lens
on. It's going to be really artistic."

904
00:45:42,990 --> 00:45:45,951
They're like, "The puppy's
intestines are on the floor."

905
00:45:46,118 --> 00:45:47,703
I'm like, "It's not intestines.
It's just blood."

906
00:45:47,870 --> 00:45:49,621
We had a whole
argument about that shot.

907
00:45:49,788 --> 00:45:53,125
I remember shooting
the dog's death,

908
00:45:53,292 --> 00:45:57,212
and Keanu was on the floor
crying with this stuffed beagle.

909
00:45:58,964 --> 00:46:00,257
And at that moment,
you're like,

910
00:46:00,424 --> 00:46:02,843
"This is either genius or,

911
00:46:03,051 --> 00:46:04,720
like, the worst thing
I've ever made."

912
00:46:04,887 --> 00:46:06,180
We always knew
we were gonna do it.

913
00:46:06,346 --> 00:46:07,931
Oh, yeah.
I mean, it's the movie.

914
00:46:08,098 --> 00:46:09,433
There were others that kept
trying to talk us out of it,

915
00:46:09,516 --> 00:46:10,768
but we're like, "No,
we got to kill the"--

916
00:46:11,268 --> 00:46:12,936
You got to--
Where's the movie?

917
00:46:12,978 --> 00:46:15,272
Yeah, we didn't have a
movie without the puppy.

918
00:46:15,522 --> 00:46:17,941
No, you got to kill the puppy
so you're killing the attachment.

919
00:46:18,066 --> 00:46:20,360
But I think there was
more talks about that.

920
00:46:20,527 --> 00:46:22,154
There was that and then
killing Alfie at the end.

921
00:46:22,321 --> 00:46:24,615
You can't just kill Alfie Allen
cold-blooded like we did,

922
00:46:24,782 --> 00:46:26,366
'cause that's
pretty icy fucking cold.

923
00:46:26,533 --> 00:46:29,369
-Iosef, got to go.
-You can't kill the puppy.

924
00:46:29,536 --> 00:46:30,788
-And his wife--
-Puppy's gotta go.

925
00:46:30,954 --> 00:46:32,956
And his wife has to--
We have to find out

926
00:46:33,123 --> 00:46:34,833
that his wife
was poisoned by the bad guys.

927
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,794
No, the wife has to die.

928
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,713
Those were the three notes we
got back from certain peoples.

929
00:46:39,922 --> 00:46:43,592
Even the night we were doing the puppy,
we knew we had something good when--

930
00:46:43,759 --> 00:46:45,761
I think because we shot that
push-in over the blood first.

931
00:46:45,928 --> 00:46:47,262
Yeah.

932
00:46:47,513 --> 00:46:48,847
And then,
you're just petting the puppy.

933
00:46:48,972 --> 00:46:50,057
Yeah.

934
00:46:50,224 --> 00:46:51,183
We're like, "That's awesome.

935
00:46:51,350 --> 00:46:52,851
That's going in the movie."

936
00:46:53,018 --> 00:46:54,895
And there was a lot of talk
behind monitors that,

937
00:46:55,062 --> 00:46:58,232
like, "Oh, no, we got to shoot
a second... a second version."

938
00:46:58,398 --> 00:47:00,442
Chad wasn't much of
a dog person back then.

939
00:47:00,609 --> 00:47:02,820
Now he's got dogs,
and he's a dog person,

940
00:47:02,986 --> 00:47:04,822
and he's embraced them,
and he's done movies with dogs,

941
00:47:04,988 --> 00:47:06,740
and he's trained them
since they were puppies,

942
00:47:06,949 --> 00:47:09,535
and they bite people in the
neck and the balls and shit.

943
00:47:09,743 --> 00:47:12,037
But he never had dogs
back in John Wick.

944
00:47:12,204 --> 00:47:14,039
Like, he wouldn't go, like,

945
00:47:14,206 --> 00:47:16,667
"Chad's gonna direct this
heartwarming movie about a dog,

946
00:47:16,834 --> 00:47:18,335
a guy and his dog."

947
00:47:18,544 --> 00:47:20,921
That would have not been
Chad's first choice.

948
00:47:21,088 --> 00:47:23,841
Which is partly why it was so
easy to kill the dog, maybe.

949
00:47:24,007 --> 00:47:26,593
He was just like,
"We just get rid of the dog,

950
00:47:26,802 --> 00:47:28,303
then I don't have
to direct a dog."

951
00:47:28,512 --> 00:47:29,638
And now it's funny.

952
00:47:29,972 --> 00:47:32,057
All there are are dogs.

953
00:47:32,099 --> 00:47:34,142
If that's the journey
that Chad's taken away,

954
00:47:34,393 --> 00:47:37,479
like he's become a dog lover,
then I'm glad we created John Wick.

955
00:47:37,604 --> 00:47:40,774
Because it's huge for me.

956
00:47:40,983 --> 00:47:44,152
There's a guy that could be
getting a bead on you here.

957
00:47:44,361 --> 00:47:46,071
Which is why
you're hauling ass...

958
00:47:46,238 --> 00:47:48,740
-Okay.
-It's more like, "Oh, fuck."

959
00:47:48,991 --> 00:47:53,287
Sometimes people ask us, "What shot in John
Wick 1 is Dave's and what shot is yours?"

960
00:47:53,412 --> 00:47:56,456
I'm like, "I don't fucking know."
Everything was a conversation.

961
00:47:56,623 --> 00:47:58,750
He'd be setting up A camera,
I'm setting up B camera.

962
00:47:58,917 --> 00:48:01,503
It was just such an organic process.
We'd worked together so many times.

963
00:48:01,670 --> 00:48:03,839
We just knew this is what we ought to do.
We gotta get this done. Let's go.

964
00:48:04,006 --> 00:48:05,007
Let's come up
with the best idea.

965
00:48:09,136 --> 00:48:12,306
Dave had a much
more grounded sensibility.

966
00:48:12,472 --> 00:48:16,143
I was influenced more by Tolkien
and Japanese anime and manga.

967
00:48:16,310 --> 00:48:19,354
And Dave wanted to be more
grounded, gritty, emotional.

968
00:48:19,563 --> 00:48:20,772
We gotta make it painful.

969
00:48:20,939 --> 00:48:22,608
So we both saw the movie
in different ways

970
00:48:22,816 --> 00:48:24,610
and we landed
in that sweet spot.

971
00:48:24,818 --> 00:48:27,279
Especially in the time period with
all the shaky cam stuff going on.

972
00:48:27,487 --> 00:48:29,156
That's why John Wick clicked.

973
00:48:31,033 --> 00:48:34,953
Dave and Chad created that-- we
called it the John Wick style,

974
00:48:35,162 --> 00:48:37,831
which was like long takes
and 30-beat fight scenes

975
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,293
where you're doing like judo/jujitsu
with a gun in your hand.

976
00:48:41,460 --> 00:48:43,128
That was something
created out of necessity

977
00:48:43,295 --> 00:48:45,714
because of lack
of time and money.

978
00:48:45,881 --> 00:48:47,966
When you do the punches and kicks,
you need the coverage, right?

979
00:48:48,175 --> 00:48:50,218
You need over the shoulder.
You gotta sell the hit.

980
00:48:50,427 --> 00:48:52,095
And we just didn't
have that kind of time.

981
00:48:52,262 --> 00:48:54,598
So we all talked about, "Well,
how are we gonna do this?"

982
00:48:54,765 --> 00:48:56,808
Well, we're gonna take judo
and aikido and like--

983
00:48:56,975 --> 00:48:58,644
Wick is kind of the guy
that's going to grab you.

984
00:48:58,852 --> 00:49:00,979
-If I got your collar...
-Yeah, you got him.

985
00:49:01,146 --> 00:49:02,356
-...it was over.
-Yeah, he got you.

986
00:49:02,522 --> 00:49:04,107
It was over.

987
00:49:04,316 --> 00:49:05,943
-But that's the vibe we wanted.
-It was over.

988
00:49:06,276 --> 00:49:09,446
It was just like if I got
a collar, inside, anywhere,

989
00:49:09,488 --> 00:49:12,950
if I got a collar coming-- it's just
like, "We're going, bye."

990
00:49:13,116 --> 00:49:15,744
You have no choice.
You're in the machine.

991
00:49:15,911 --> 00:49:19,456
You're going down. You're spinning.
You're being twisted.

992
00:49:19,665 --> 00:49:22,000
But you had thought about using
that before you did John Wick--

993
00:49:22,125 --> 00:49:24,044
Yeah, we just never really
had the character for it.

994
00:49:24,503 --> 00:49:27,839
You kind of implemented me into
like, "Let's see if this can work."

995
00:49:27,881 --> 00:49:29,967
-Yeah, well, we had--
-Take actor.

996
00:49:30,133 --> 00:49:32,761
-And experiment.
-And experiment.

997
00:49:32,928 --> 00:49:35,389
"Oh, yeah, he'll do it. I know
that guy. He'll come to train."

998
00:49:35,555 --> 00:49:38,976
We had the close-quarter choreography
kind of worked out with the gun stuff.

999
00:49:39,142 --> 00:49:41,895
-We just couldn't find the test subject.
-Yeah.

1000
00:49:42,104 --> 00:49:45,023
Once John Wick came about,
Chad and Dave right away were like,

1001
00:49:45,232 --> 00:49:47,609
"Bring up the Safe footage.
Bring up the Safe concepts.

1002
00:49:47,776 --> 00:49:48,860
That's Wick right there."

1003
00:49:57,828 --> 00:50:00,080
Back in the day, we
used to do-- well, we still do.

1004
00:50:00,288 --> 00:50:01,999
We do a lot of
Jason Statham films.

1005
00:50:02,207 --> 00:50:04,084
I remember there's one
movie called Safe.

1006
00:50:04,292 --> 00:50:06,545
And we were designing
concepts for that film.

1007
00:50:06,712 --> 00:50:12,300
And Chad challenged everybody to
combine jujitsu and judo with gun stuff.

1008
00:50:12,509 --> 00:50:14,928
And if you look back
at the Safe previses,

1009
00:50:15,137 --> 00:50:19,016
it's all the moves and all
the style of John Wick 1.

1010
00:50:22,394 --> 00:50:24,896
For gun fu,
you did the mix of airsofts

1011
00:50:25,063 --> 00:50:28,150
and use visual effects for the
muzzle flashes and blood spurts.

1012
00:50:28,358 --> 00:50:31,236
Because back in the day,
we were using blanks, real guns to shoot.

1013
00:50:31,403 --> 00:50:33,405
So you can't do close quarter stuff.
It's dangerous.

1014
00:50:33,572 --> 00:50:35,741
At a certain range,
it's still lethal.

1015
00:50:35,949 --> 00:50:37,492
Usually it's like,
once you fire a gun, you cut.

1016
00:50:37,659 --> 00:50:39,703
And show the guy
firing the gun,

1017
00:50:39,870 --> 00:50:42,372
and then you're on the reverse so
you know you're in the safe zone.

1018
00:50:42,581 --> 00:50:44,791
So we're doing shots that aren't
cut right in front of each other,

1019
00:50:44,958 --> 00:50:46,877
shooting each
other point-blank.

1020
00:50:47,044 --> 00:50:49,254
When they cut it together
and put the muzzle flash

1021
00:50:49,463 --> 00:50:51,798
and the blood splatter on it,
we all were like, "Oh, shit."

1022
00:50:51,965 --> 00:50:54,134
It was cooler than anything we were
doing in any movies we were working on.

1023
00:50:54,342 --> 00:50:56,887
We sent it to Chad
and he damn lost his mind.

1024
00:50:57,012 --> 00:50:58,138
And I was
looking at it like,

1025
00:50:58,555 --> 00:51:00,098
"Dude, we got to get this
in a freaking movie.

1026
00:51:00,140 --> 00:51:02,434
Like, this is insane.
This is awesome."

1027
00:51:02,642 --> 00:51:05,145
What's funny is we all
thought Jason would murder that.

1028
00:51:05,312 --> 00:51:07,355
Like, he's so good at action,
that should be easy.

1029
00:51:07,564 --> 00:51:10,192
And in classic Jason style,

1030
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,278
love him to death, he had
notes, he had thoughts.

1031
00:51:13,445 --> 00:51:15,655
You know, maybe he didn't want this.
Maybe it was a little too stylized.

1032
00:51:15,822 --> 00:51:17,949
I don't know what it was,
but for some reason,

1033
00:51:18,116 --> 00:51:19,993
Statham didn't
gel with the style.

1034
00:51:20,202 --> 00:51:23,997
I was kind of like, "You got
to be shitting me right now.

1035
00:51:24,206 --> 00:51:26,875
This is the coolest stuff
I've seen in so long."

1036
00:51:27,042 --> 00:51:29,419
That being said, they ended up
doing some small pieces of it.

1037
00:51:29,628 --> 00:51:32,923
If you watch Safe,
there's a little bit hand-to-hand.

1038
00:51:33,090 --> 00:51:36,760
It's the introduction of it, you know,
in that one fight in the restaurant.

1039
00:51:36,927 --> 00:51:41,515
There's just like a couple moments
where, like, you see gun fu come to life.

1040
00:51:41,681 --> 00:51:44,309
But I think at that point,
Chad was like, you know, "Fuck this.

1041
00:51:44,476 --> 00:51:46,728
We're holding this
until we get our shot.

1042
00:51:46,895 --> 00:51:49,106
Like, we're not letting anyone
else see this, because..."

1043
00:51:49,272 --> 00:51:51,274
He was right.
It was gonna blow people away.

1044
00:51:51,483 --> 00:51:53,610
And I mean, we were so
excited to put it into Wick.

1045
00:51:53,777 --> 00:51:56,196
Like, we couldn't wait.

1046
00:51:56,363 --> 00:51:59,950
It's funny because even
though they're both great action icons,

1047
00:52:00,117 --> 00:52:02,619
Jason's a bad-ass
physical specimen too,

1048
00:52:02,828 --> 00:52:05,122
it just looked different
when Reeves was doing it.

1049
00:52:17,843 --> 00:52:20,387
If you say gun fu,
you automatically think Keanu Reeves.

1050
00:52:20,554 --> 00:52:22,013
It's his style.

1051
00:52:24,307 --> 00:52:29,146
The great thing about Keanu is,
I mean, he was just such a stud.

1052
00:52:29,312 --> 00:52:33,775
He does like 98%
of all his fighting.

1053
00:52:33,984 --> 00:52:37,612
His stunt double comes in only when
there's something really sketchy,

1054
00:52:37,779 --> 00:52:40,365
like me throwing
him over the balcony.

1055
00:52:40,532 --> 00:52:43,660
He's so good. It's amazing.

1056
00:52:43,869 --> 00:52:46,454
One, you go right here.
Grab.

1057
00:52:46,663 --> 00:52:48,623
I remember Chad and
Dave coming up to me saying,

1058
00:52:48,832 --> 00:52:50,000
"Daniel, pad up."

1059
00:52:50,292 --> 00:52:51,626
I'm like,
"What do you mean?"

1060
00:52:51,668 --> 00:52:53,295
We're doing masters,
you know,

1061
00:52:53,753 --> 00:52:56,173
where you do the fight from the
beginning to the end, no cuts.

1062
00:52:56,214 --> 00:52:57,883
And I really haven't done that
in a long time.

1063
00:52:58,091 --> 00:52:59,718
And they're like,
"We don't have the time. Pad up."

1064
00:52:59,885 --> 00:53:01,428
Go, go, go, go.

1065
00:53:07,893 --> 00:53:11,980
We shoot a master, and I remember
me and Keanu's double, Jackson,

1066
00:53:12,147 --> 00:53:14,232
we were both so exhausted.

1067
00:53:17,986 --> 00:53:20,030
But it turned out
to be a really good fight.

1068
00:53:21,573 --> 00:53:23,283
We're rolling, guys.

1069
00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:25,368
I think it came out better
than we had ever thought.

1070
00:53:25,535 --> 00:53:26,661
Because you've
made it a character.

1071
00:53:26,828 --> 00:53:28,038
-Now it's like--
-Right.

1072
00:53:28,205 --> 00:53:29,581
This is where John Wick
got to be like,

1073
00:53:29,748 --> 00:53:30,916
okay, he's the gun guy.

1074
00:53:31,082 --> 00:53:33,084
-Yeah.
-Like, holy shit, it worked.

1075
00:53:33,251 --> 00:53:36,922
Yeah, but I mean,
I think that ties into your philosophy

1076
00:53:37,130 --> 00:53:39,132
and David Leitch's
philosophy

1077
00:53:39,341 --> 00:53:43,887
coming out of the school of
the Wachowskis with the Matrix

1078
00:53:44,054 --> 00:53:46,681
was that character
drives the action.

1079
00:53:46,848 --> 00:53:48,642
The story of the action,

1080
00:53:49,142 --> 00:53:52,896
the character of the action has
to be so connected to story.

1081
00:53:58,610 --> 00:54:02,239
Last take of John Wick
principal photography.

1082
00:54:08,036 --> 00:54:11,706
All right, that's a wrap on
principal and additional photography.

1083
00:54:11,873 --> 00:54:12,832
Thank you all very much.

1084
00:54:14,626 --> 00:54:16,419
Good job...

1085
00:54:16,628 --> 00:54:18,713
Hey, Dave, you
just directed your first movie.

1086
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,090
What are you gonna do now?

1087
00:54:20,257 --> 00:54:23,051
Smoke crack.

1088
00:54:23,218 --> 00:54:25,762
To everybody that
said we couldn't do it.

1089
00:54:25,929 --> 00:54:28,765
We thought the hard
part was gonna be training Keanu

1090
00:54:28,974 --> 00:54:30,934
and killing it
with cool action.

1091
00:54:31,101 --> 00:54:33,561
We wrapped, we were like, "Oh, my
God, we did it. We're in the clear."

1092
00:54:33,770 --> 00:54:36,231
And then there's this thing
we found out called post,

1093
00:54:36,398 --> 00:54:38,692
where you actually
have to find the movie.

1094
00:54:38,858 --> 00:54:41,695
If you want distance,
you got distance right there. Look at that.

1095
00:54:41,861 --> 00:54:44,781
I think post was where
I had the biggest learning curve,

1096
00:54:44,990 --> 00:54:47,242
because you don't really do it
as a second-unit director.

1097
00:54:51,288 --> 00:54:54,374
And then cut to the
fast outside like...

1098
00:54:54,541 --> 00:54:56,918
We cut the assembly and we
thought, "Oh my God, we did it."

1099
00:54:57,085 --> 00:55:00,130
We watched the assembly and we're
like, "What the fuck? This is terrible.

1100
00:55:00,297 --> 00:55:02,340
Like, this is--
We're gonna never work again."

1101
00:55:02,507 --> 00:55:04,592
We showed it to some friends and
family, and they're just going, "Yeah."

1102
00:55:04,801 --> 00:55:06,845
Tapping us on the shoulder,
"Good job, guys. Yeah, yeah.

1103
00:55:07,012 --> 00:55:08,388
You did your first movie."

1104
00:55:08,596 --> 00:55:10,515
I think that devastated them.
It was like,

1105
00:55:10,682 --> 00:55:12,767
"Guys, it's too long.
It's too long. It's too long."

1106
00:55:12,976 --> 00:55:17,022
The first cut of John Wick,
he was moping around his house.

1107
00:55:17,188 --> 00:55:19,399
It was like a
Swedish noir movie.

1108
00:55:19,566 --> 00:55:22,569
It was very blue.
He's crying, making coffee.

1109
00:55:22,736 --> 00:55:25,447
And you're like, "Okay.
I don't--"

1110
00:55:25,655 --> 00:55:28,325
I think people are-- They're gonna wanna
know when he's gonna start killing people.

1111
00:55:28,491 --> 00:55:30,535
We were trying to hold on
to the script so tight

1112
00:55:30,702 --> 00:55:32,912
that I think we fought everybody
for the first four, five weeks.

1113
00:55:33,288 --> 00:55:35,707
It's sometimes harder when you're like,
"No, but this is the way I saw it,

1114
00:55:35,749 --> 00:55:39,044
and I just need to see it that way until
I don't see it that way. Then I can..."

1115
00:55:39,252 --> 00:55:41,588
You know, and I'm like,
I've already forgotten about that way

1116
00:55:41,755 --> 00:55:43,214
'cause this way
is already so cool.

1117
00:55:43,381 --> 00:55:45,216
Basil, he got mad at us
for being so depressed.

1118
00:55:45,383 --> 00:55:49,220
He's like, "What the fuck you
guys doing? Like, get to work."

1119
00:55:49,387 --> 00:55:51,306
We're like, "Well,
it's terrible. We failed."

1120
00:55:51,473 --> 00:55:52,807
He's like,
"That's your assembly.

1121
00:55:52,974 --> 00:55:54,601
Like, now you gonna go
make the movie, guys.

1122
00:55:54,768 --> 00:55:58,063
Like, you got 20 weeks.
You know, hurry up. Go."

1123
00:55:58,271 --> 00:56:00,857
We're like, "I guess
this is directing, huh?"

1124
00:56:01,066 --> 00:56:04,027
You know, they had to
figure out the film in the cut,

1125
00:56:04,194 --> 00:56:06,780
and then the battles that you have to
fight with the show business part of it.

1126
00:56:06,946 --> 00:56:08,656
You know, what do other
people think of the movie

1127
00:56:08,865 --> 00:56:10,533
that you thought you made?

1128
00:56:10,658 --> 00:56:12,744
"There's too much action."
"Not enough action."

1129
00:56:13,161 --> 00:56:15,872
"You can't really kill the dog."
"Wait, what? What's the ending?"

1130
00:56:15,914 --> 00:56:18,458
"The ending doesn't work."
Gotta redo it, you know.

1131
00:56:18,625 --> 00:56:24,214
And I'm sure they had a lot of, you know,
"Is this fucking terrible?"

1132
00:56:24,381 --> 00:56:27,175
We kind of found the movie
very, very slowly.

1133
00:56:27,342 --> 00:56:29,219
It was very slow.
But yeah, we were panicked.

1134
00:56:29,386 --> 00:56:31,888
You know, at the time, remember,
it was all about fast editing

1135
00:56:32,055 --> 00:56:34,849
and shaky cam and all that stuff.
And we didn't have a single shaky cam.

1136
00:56:35,016 --> 00:56:38,228
Our stuff was very
slow and with no VFX.

1137
00:56:38,395 --> 00:56:39,979
Yeah, we thought
the movie was terrible.

1138
00:56:40,146 --> 00:56:41,856
Everybody but Keanu.

1139
00:56:42,023 --> 00:56:43,441
Keanu and Basil were just like,
"No, just keep hammering.

1140
00:56:43,608 --> 00:56:45,193
Keep going. We'll see you
in a couple weeks."

1141
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:46,569
Part of it is
like your baby, you know?

1142
00:56:46,736 --> 00:56:48,279
It's the art you created

1143
00:56:48,696 --> 00:56:50,573
and you're really into it
and you're excited.

1144
00:56:50,615 --> 00:56:53,743
But then you're feeling
like self-conscious about,

1145
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:57,288
"Is this moment gonna be cheesy?
And are people gonna like it?"

1146
00:56:57,455 --> 00:57:00,667
And I know I like it, but I've
got to put it out in the world.

1147
00:57:00,834 --> 00:57:05,130
And it's all of that confidence
and insecurity colliding.

1148
00:57:05,338 --> 00:57:07,590
I gotta believe in myself,
but I also gotta deliver this

1149
00:57:07,757 --> 00:57:09,342
to an audience
and it's gotta work.

1150
00:57:09,551 --> 00:57:11,553
We previewed
the movie for the first time.

1151
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,721
And the audience didn't know
what to make of the movie.

1152
00:57:14,180 --> 00:57:17,725
They're like, "What is this?
It's like Keanu depressed and crying.

1153
00:57:17,767 --> 00:57:20,603
And what is happening here?
It's supposed to be an action movie."

1154
00:57:20,812 --> 00:57:22,730
And I'll never forget, it was
the most important moment

1155
00:57:22,939 --> 00:57:24,691
in the entire
Wick franchise history

1156
00:57:25,066 --> 00:57:27,944
-where Michael Nyqvist calls John Leguizamo...
-Aurelio speaking.

1157
00:57:27,986 --> 00:57:29,904
-...and says...
-I heard you struck my son.

1158
00:57:30,113 --> 00:57:31,614
-And John says...
-Yes, sir, I did.

1159
00:57:31,781 --> 00:57:33,825
Because he stole
John Wick's car, sir,

1160
00:57:33,992 --> 00:57:37,120
and, uh, killed his dog.

1161
00:57:37,287 --> 00:57:38,746
And
Michael Nyqvist just goes...

1162
00:57:38,830 --> 00:57:40,498
Oh.

1163
00:57:40,999 --> 00:57:44,085
-And the entire audience laughed.
-Okay, we have them.

1164
00:57:44,127 --> 00:57:49,048
It's the greatest performance ever
in a movie where someone says...

1165
00:57:49,215 --> 00:57:50,508
Oh.

1166
00:57:50,675 --> 00:57:53,511
And I realized, okay,
they finally got it.

1167
00:57:53,678 --> 00:57:56,306
We're supposed to have fun.
This movie is crazy.

1168
00:57:56,473 --> 00:57:58,308
And from that moment on,
it played great.

1169
00:57:58,475 --> 00:58:00,101
I remember the first screening,

1170
00:58:00,268 --> 00:58:02,103
they give you these little
questionnaires to fill out.

1171
00:58:02,270 --> 00:58:03,938
And the first
question was like,

1172
00:58:04,105 --> 00:58:06,858
"Do you think the killing of the
dog justifies all this death?"

1173
00:58:07,025 --> 00:58:08,651
And we divided it up
by demographics.

1174
00:58:08,818 --> 00:58:11,321
And I remember the men were
only on board at about 60%.

1175
00:58:11,488 --> 00:58:15,783
But like 98% of the women
were like, "Kill 'em all."

1176
00:58:15,992 --> 00:58:18,453
Because they knew it
was not about a dog.

1177
00:58:26,836 --> 00:58:28,213
We had
a really cool movie.

1178
00:58:28,421 --> 00:58:30,089
We had a movie
that I think we were all like,

1179
00:58:30,256 --> 00:58:32,592
"Boy, there's like a world
there that we never realized."

1180
00:58:32,759 --> 00:58:34,802
And Ian McShane and
Lance Reddick really popped.

1181
00:58:35,011 --> 00:58:37,680
And Willem Dafoe was just cool.
We pulled it off.

1182
00:58:37,889 --> 00:58:40,725
And we should have a number
of domestic studio offers

1183
00:58:40,808 --> 00:58:42,852
because this movie
really works.

1184
00:58:43,353 --> 00:58:48,858
And then, we started to screen it for
the studios, and everybody passed.

1185
00:58:48,900 --> 00:58:51,945
-Literally everybody passed.
-We didn't sell it? Like, nobody wants it?

1186
00:58:52,111 --> 00:58:56,908
Like, this is better than so many movies
that I've been asked to fix.

1187
00:58:57,116 --> 00:58:58,326
It was heartbreaking.

1188
00:58:58,493 --> 00:59:00,203
I misread the marketplace,

1189
00:59:00,370 --> 00:59:02,413
and I put these people
in a really tough spot

1190
00:59:02,580 --> 00:59:04,791
because I advocated
making this movie

1191
00:59:04,958 --> 00:59:08,670
and put this movie together
that no one will ever see.

1192
00:59:08,836 --> 00:59:11,589
But someone at Lionsgate said,
"You know what? Fuck it.

1193
00:59:11,756 --> 00:59:14,050
We might as well
take the domestic

1194
00:59:14,259 --> 00:59:17,262
because we've already got the
territories for international."

1195
00:59:17,470 --> 00:59:19,806
There was a separation between church
and state at Lionsgate at the time.

1196
00:59:19,973 --> 00:59:21,766
There was a domestic piece
and the foreign piece.

1197
00:59:21,933 --> 00:59:25,645
Lionsgate had only
sold the film foreign.

1198
00:59:25,812 --> 00:59:29,399
And so Lionsgate bought it,
but for no MG, for zero dollars,

1199
00:59:29,607 --> 00:59:31,734
which is, you know,
not a great deal.

1200
00:59:31,859 --> 00:59:33,945
I'm like, "Okay,
that's better than nothing."

1201
00:59:34,404 --> 00:59:36,447
They're not believing in it.
They're not guaranteeing us theaters.

1202
00:59:36,489 --> 00:59:39,117
But then out of nowhere,
their head of marketing sends this trailer

1203
00:59:39,284 --> 00:59:40,618
that is awesome.

1204
00:59:43,079 --> 00:59:44,205
No!

1205
00:59:45,582 --> 00:59:47,041
And he's like,
"I could sell this thing."

1206
00:59:47,208 --> 00:59:49,377
This feels like
a Lionsgate movie.

1207
00:59:49,544 --> 00:59:50,587
You working again?

1208
00:59:50,753 --> 00:59:53,047
No, just sorting
some stuff out.

1209
00:59:53,256 --> 00:59:54,799
Let's figure out how to do this movie,
and we are gonna do a wide release.

1210
00:59:55,133 --> 00:59:57,302
And then something else happened
which was like a miracle,

1211
00:59:57,343 --> 01:00:00,722
but there was a slot open in October.
A movie fell out.

1212
01:00:00,930 --> 01:00:03,391
There was this wide-release
action movie called Kingsman,

1213
01:00:03,558 --> 01:00:08,896
and for whatever reason,
they have moved the date to next spring.

1214
01:00:09,063 --> 01:00:11,899
There's this opening here
in October. Let's go for it.

1215
01:00:12,108 --> 01:00:13,651
Then we were like,
"Okay, well,

1216
01:00:13,818 --> 01:00:17,113
we need to somehow let
people know about this movie

1217
01:00:17,322 --> 01:00:18,781
that's about to come out
in two months."

1218
01:00:18,948 --> 01:00:20,950
And so, the marketing team
says, "You know what?

1219
01:00:21,159 --> 01:00:25,204
We could premiere it at the Fantastic
Fest Film Festival in Austin,

1220
01:00:25,371 --> 01:00:29,709
and that would be like a week or
two before our opening weekend."

1221
01:00:29,876 --> 01:00:31,502
We've worked on so many
big action movies before,

1222
01:00:31,669 --> 01:00:34,088
and we've mentored under
a lot of great directors.

1223
01:00:34,255 --> 01:00:37,133
And it's been-- It's really
incredible to get a chance to,

1224
01:00:37,342 --> 01:00:40,637
like, show people what we can do
storytelling-wise and action-wise.

1225
01:00:43,139 --> 01:00:45,516
We show the movie,
blow the roof off the place.

1226
01:00:45,683 --> 01:00:47,810
People freak out.
Twitter-space goes nuts.

1227
01:00:47,977 --> 01:00:50,688
Fanboys went apeshit for it.
They love it.

1228
01:00:50,855 --> 01:00:53,024
Then all of a
sudden, reviews start coming in.

1229
01:00:53,191 --> 01:00:55,943
Reviews are fantastic.
Everyone's saying,

1230
01:00:56,152 --> 01:01:00,657
"This is not just a typical action movie.
This is inspired."

1231
01:01:02,408 --> 01:01:06,954
I was more surprised that nobody
wanted it in that buyer screening

1232
01:01:07,163 --> 01:01:10,124
than I was when we showed it
for the fanboys,

1233
01:01:10,291 --> 01:01:13,795
who I kind of deep down knew would
like it because I'm one of them.

1234
01:01:14,003 --> 01:01:17,340
And so, one minute, we didn't even
really have a theatrical release.

1235
01:01:17,507 --> 01:01:19,967
It was gonna just
go straight to video.

1236
01:01:20,134 --> 01:01:22,845
And the next minute, it's like
1,200 screens. It's pretty awesome.

1237
01:01:23,012 --> 01:01:26,182
It was a huge win
for all of us, huge.

1238
01:01:26,349 --> 01:01:29,560
But there was one thing about that
first movie that I was so happy for.

1239
01:01:29,727 --> 01:01:32,522
It reminded the audience
why they love Keanu.

1240
01:01:32,689 --> 01:01:34,691
And it reminded them
that he was a movie star.

1241
01:01:34,899 --> 01:01:36,693
People keep
asking if I'm back.

1242
01:01:38,861 --> 01:01:41,656
Yeah,
I'm thinking I'm back.

1243
01:01:41,823 --> 01:01:44,492
And now, you have
an opportunity for a sequel.

1244
01:01:44,701 --> 01:01:49,747
But if we make John Wick 2
and it comes out in six years,

1245
01:01:49,914 --> 01:01:53,751
it doesn't have the same value
in the audience.

1246
01:01:53,918 --> 01:01:58,548
I knew at this moment in time,
we cannot slow down

1247
01:01:58,756 --> 01:02:00,925
with the idea of
if we're making a John Wick 2.

1248
01:02:01,092 --> 01:02:03,010
We couldn't come up
with an idea,

1249
01:02:03,219 --> 01:02:06,764
and Chad and I were attached
to this other project

1250
01:02:06,931 --> 01:02:08,641
that I was really
falling in love with,

1251
01:02:08,850 --> 01:02:11,936
The Coldest City, which is
now called Atomic Blonde.

1252
01:02:11,978 --> 01:02:14,105
I thought we could do it
first together.

1253
01:02:14,689 --> 01:02:17,567
And I don't know, Chad felt like
he really wanted to do Wick 2 next.

1254
01:02:17,608 --> 01:02:20,903
And part of me was like,
I want to do Wick 2.

1255
01:02:21,112 --> 01:02:25,283
But I know there's nobody they
could hire that could do Wick 2.

1256
01:02:25,450 --> 01:02:29,203
We just-- It was such a unique
thing that we'd created together.

1257
01:02:29,370 --> 01:02:31,873
It was either
Chad or me or nobody.

1258
01:02:32,123 --> 01:02:35,376
Like, who are they gonna hire to do Wick?
And I'm like, we have time to do Wick.

1259
01:02:35,501 --> 01:02:37,462
This has Charlize.
It's ready to go.

1260
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:40,673
And we can go make another
movie, you know, and come back

1261
01:02:40,882 --> 01:02:43,593
and make Wick 2
when we have a great idea.

1262
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:48,431
And he was like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah," for a
while. And then he started to get cold feet.

1263
01:02:48,639 --> 01:02:50,767
And I think he really wanted
to stay in the Wick world.

1264
01:02:50,933 --> 01:02:52,852
And he-- And although
we didn't have a script,

1265
01:02:53,060 --> 01:02:56,063
he's like, I think he
really wanted me to stay, too.

1266
01:02:56,230 --> 01:02:58,274
I think Dave wanted to direct on his own.
We all want to direct on our own.

1267
01:02:58,483 --> 01:03:00,401
That's directing.
We all want to be on our own.

1268
01:03:00,568 --> 01:03:02,945
The co-directing thing,
if we did three films together like that,

1269
01:03:03,112 --> 01:03:04,655
yeah, we would have done
three films together like that.

1270
01:03:04,864 --> 01:03:06,866
Long and short of it,
I just went to Chad,

1271
01:03:07,074 --> 01:03:10,661
and I said, "I want to
direct Coldest City."

1272
01:03:10,828 --> 01:03:14,123
Um, and he's like, "Keanu's got a window.
I'm doing this at the same time.

1273
01:03:14,332 --> 01:03:17,460
So, you got to choose.
And I'm like, "Coldest City."

1274
01:03:17,627 --> 01:03:20,379
He was just like, "What?
You're gonna do that?

1275
01:03:20,546 --> 01:03:23,090
You're gonna leave our franchise
behind?" I think he felt like that.

1276
01:03:23,299 --> 01:03:26,677
I think he
probably said those words.

1277
01:03:26,844 --> 01:03:30,473
It was a big blow. It was--
It was like, oh, my God.

1278
01:03:30,556 --> 01:03:32,266
At the time,
I was fucking furious.

1279
01:03:32,767 --> 01:03:36,103
I was like, "Are you out of your mind?
Like, this is a franchise.

1280
01:03:36,145 --> 01:03:38,022
Like, we're the luckiest people
in the world. What are you doing?"

1281
01:03:38,189 --> 01:03:39,690
It was very dramatic.

1282
01:03:40,066 --> 01:03:42,944
And that was the straw.
Like, that was like, okay.

1283
01:03:42,985 --> 01:03:46,239
To me, it sort of felt like people
became Team Dave or Team Chad.

1284
01:03:46,405 --> 01:03:48,950
It's not like Chad ever said,
"Don't work with Dave."

1285
01:03:49,158 --> 01:03:52,453
Dave was still a very integral
part of who we all were,

1286
01:03:52,620 --> 01:03:55,915
'cause to us, he was Dave,
no matter what he was to Chad.

1287
01:03:56,082 --> 01:03:58,835
When he left, it was more just
like, "Oh, man, I miss Uncle Dave.

1288
01:04:00,253 --> 01:04:01,712
He was the cool one."

1289
01:04:01,921 --> 01:04:03,256
So, yeah,
you feel a little bit like,

1290
01:04:03,422 --> 01:04:04,924
"Is it me? Is it them?
Is it that?" You know.

1291
01:04:05,132 --> 01:04:07,093
It felt like I was an asshole.

1292
01:04:07,260 --> 01:04:11,722
Like, you know, of course.
Like, no one just leaves for no reason.

1293
01:04:11,889 --> 01:04:14,934
Your ego says it's them,
but hopefully your brain says it's you.

1294
01:04:15,101 --> 01:04:16,936
You kind of-- Maybe it's
something in the middle.

1295
01:04:17,144 --> 01:04:19,105
Up to that point, they
just went their separate ways.

1296
01:04:19,272 --> 01:04:22,149
They ran a business together,
and they were very close friends.

1297
01:04:22,316 --> 01:04:27,029
But being in the same creative cockpit,
I think it was too much for Dave,

1298
01:04:27,196 --> 01:04:29,824
and I think Dave was like,
"I want to go do my own shit."

1299
01:04:29,991 --> 01:04:33,703
That made sense to me,
you know?

1300
01:04:33,870 --> 01:04:37,164
I never had, like,
"Oh, Dave's not gonna do it?"

1301
01:04:37,331 --> 01:04:40,376
That was like, "Oh, yeah, right.
You're both directors,

1302
01:04:40,585 --> 01:04:45,548
and one's gonna go do that,
and another one's gonna do this."

1303
01:04:45,715 --> 01:04:49,760
I was just glad Chad said,
"Yeah, let's do it."

1304
01:04:49,927 --> 01:04:52,847
'Cause if he hadn't have said that,
I don't know what would have happened.

1305
01:04:53,556 --> 01:04:54,682
I don't know.

1306
01:04:54,891 --> 01:04:56,309
I know you called
for John Wick 2.

1307
01:04:56,475 --> 01:04:57,643
"Do you want to do it?"

1308
01:04:57,810 --> 01:04:59,562
I'm like,
"What are you thinking?"

1309
01:04:59,729 --> 01:05:00,897
And he's like, "Look, all
I know is we just got to know

1310
01:05:01,063 --> 01:05:03,024
-why we're gonna do it again."
-Yeah.

1311
01:05:03,232 --> 01:05:05,026
But we didn't have a script.
We didn't have any ideas.

1312
01:05:05,234 --> 01:05:08,487
We really didn't know
why the first movie worked.

1313
01:05:08,654 --> 01:05:11,198
I know it sounds dopey to say,
but it's not a science, right?

1314
01:05:11,407 --> 01:05:12,742
They came back and said,

1315
01:05:12,909 --> 01:05:14,744
"So you guys think
you're pretty clever.

1316
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:16,913
-Let's see what you got for John Wick 2."
-I know, right?

1317
01:05:16,954 --> 01:05:18,915
Usually, when people talked
about John Wick 1,

1318
01:05:19,081 --> 01:05:21,500
they were like, "Yeah, the dog.
I mean, geez, that was great."

1319
01:05:21,667 --> 01:05:23,002
And we're like,
"We don't have a dog anymore."

1320
01:05:23,169 --> 01:05:24,670
What are you gonna do?
You gonna kill the dog again?

1321
01:05:24,837 --> 01:05:26,797
-Kill a cat?
-Kill the parakeet?

1322
01:05:26,964 --> 01:05:29,383
-What are we doing?
-It would've been laughable if we did it again.

1323
01:05:29,550 --> 01:05:31,886
And so, we're like, "Well, what-- Fuck.
What are we gonna do here?"

1324
01:05:32,053 --> 01:05:34,388
And so, creatively,
it was a big challenge

1325
01:05:34,597 --> 01:05:38,100
about how do we emotionally connect
the audience to what's going on.

1326
01:05:38,225 --> 01:05:40,770
We kind of killed ourselves
on the second one

1327
01:05:40,978 --> 01:05:44,690
because we didn't want it to be
John Wick 1 and 2 and done.

1328
01:05:44,857 --> 01:05:49,236
When you think of franchises that get to 3
and 4, beyond, they did the sequel right.

1329
01:05:49,403 --> 01:05:52,907
A movie is not a franchise
until you've made a second movie

1330
01:05:53,074 --> 01:05:56,118
and the second movie worked,
right?

1331
01:05:56,285 --> 01:05:59,747
Once you have two movies work,
now you have a franchise.

1332
01:05:59,914 --> 01:06:01,540
That was probably
the most stressful.

1333
01:06:01,707 --> 01:06:05,127
It was like, "Did we
get lucky or are we good?"

1334
01:06:05,294 --> 01:06:08,464
We went through,
I want to say a hundred ideas.

1335
01:06:08,673 --> 01:06:12,259
Massive universe builds,
Nigerian mob, the triad,

1336
01:06:12,468 --> 01:06:14,345
any number of iterations.

1337
01:06:14,553 --> 01:06:17,390
It's not like we talk about it,
hand the script off to a writer,

1338
01:06:17,556 --> 01:06:20,559
and then, "See you in six months."
Like, Keanu's writing is like,

1339
01:06:20,726 --> 01:06:24,397
out of the blue he'll text me a
scene, and then I'll have a set piece.

1340
01:06:24,563 --> 01:06:26,148
He'll text me, "I was thinking,
John Wick should"--

1341
01:06:26,315 --> 01:06:28,359
And it's like
two pages of dialogue.

1342
01:06:28,526 --> 01:06:30,403
We don't know where to put it
yet, but we know it's a scene.

1343
01:06:30,569 --> 01:06:32,571
You know,
I write for Winston.

1344
01:06:32,738 --> 01:06:35,616
I write
for the Bowery King.

1345
01:06:35,783 --> 01:06:38,619
I write for John. I'll write scenes.
You know, I'll send pitches of scenes.

1346
01:06:38,786 --> 01:06:41,831
Full scenes. But they all have, like,
"We want this to say, the theme is this."

1347
01:06:41,998 --> 01:06:43,457
-Yeah. Right.
-"The scene should be about this."

1348
01:06:43,624 --> 01:06:45,209
And then, how do we get there?

1349
01:06:45,376 --> 01:06:47,503
It comes together
in the most haphazard way,

1350
01:06:47,712 --> 01:06:49,588
and it's kind of like that
for like six months.

1351
01:06:49,755 --> 01:06:51,507
Just, "We don't know!
We don't know!"

1352
01:06:51,716 --> 01:06:54,427
For the first one, it was just a
handful of people in the trenches.

1353
01:06:54,593 --> 01:06:58,222
And the second one, it was a thousand
people in the command center.

1354
01:06:58,389 --> 01:07:01,350
And the third one, you're
just like, what in the hell?

1355
01:07:01,559 --> 01:07:04,103
But that was the hardest job I've ever
had, was John Wick 2.

1356
01:07:04,270 --> 01:07:10,276
No one gets out and comes back
without repercussions.

1357
01:07:12,194 --> 01:07:14,530
There were two things that
broke the dam on the development.

1358
01:07:14,739 --> 01:07:16,907
One was the marker,
and then the idea of, like,

1359
01:07:17,116 --> 01:07:18,451
we wanted to go to Rome.

1360
01:07:21,579 --> 01:07:23,122
I remember we
talked a couple of times, going,

1361
01:07:23,330 --> 01:07:24,957
"What if there's a Continental
in every city?"

1362
01:07:25,166 --> 01:07:26,333
I said, "Where do you
want to go?" And you're like,

1363
01:07:26,542 --> 01:07:28,044
"Where's one of the old--
What's cool?"

1364
01:07:28,210 --> 01:07:30,254
-Rome.
-Then we're like,

1365
01:07:30,421 --> 01:07:31,839
well, how does he get called back in?
Well, he's got to have a marker.

1366
01:07:32,006 --> 01:07:33,632
-Somebody...
-I think...

1367
01:07:33,799 --> 01:07:35,134
Marker,
I think, was Derek--

1368
01:07:35,342 --> 01:07:37,762
Derek? No,
Derek came up with the marker.

1369
01:07:37,928 --> 01:07:40,890
And then, Derek and I sat down and went,
well, what if the marker is like a check?

1370
01:07:41,057 --> 01:07:43,893
-Yeah.
-You can buy something. You trade it with it.

1371
01:07:44,060 --> 01:07:49,315
If you don't do this,
you know the consequences.

1372
01:07:49,482 --> 01:07:51,942
I'm not that guy anymore.

1373
01:07:55,488 --> 01:07:57,448
You are always that guy, John.

1374
01:07:58,866 --> 01:08:01,243
You give somebody a marker,
you have to honor it.

1375
01:08:01,410 --> 01:08:04,246
Otherwise, you risk
being on the open market.

1376
01:08:04,413 --> 01:08:06,040
It's a whole
arcane world of its own.

1377
01:08:06,207 --> 01:08:07,708
Market.

1378
01:08:07,875 --> 01:08:10,044
It's wonderful bullshit,
you know? Wonderful.

1379
01:08:12,463 --> 01:08:15,132
We're kind of all under the table
in this weird, twisted world.

1380
01:08:15,299 --> 01:08:17,802
Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like
the development of it, right?

1381
01:08:18,010 --> 01:08:21,097
I mean, the high table was
introduced in the second one as well.

1382
01:08:21,263 --> 01:08:23,682
Number two is where we
really kind of found our feet, I think.

1383
01:08:23,849 --> 01:08:25,392
-Yeah.
-With the whole world.

1384
01:08:25,601 --> 01:08:27,603
The John Wick world
that it would become.

1385
01:08:27,770 --> 01:08:30,815
When you're trying to
do new or fresh or sell an idea,

1386
01:08:31,023 --> 01:08:32,525
a picture's worth
a thousand words.

1387
01:08:32,691 --> 01:08:35,569
So I will usually storyboard
a scene before I write a scene.

1388
01:08:35,694 --> 01:08:37,321
The thing
about working with Chad,

1389
01:08:37,780 --> 01:08:39,573
it's like working on a college
film with your buddies,

1390
01:08:39,615 --> 01:08:40,908
and you guys spend
most of your time

1391
01:08:41,283 --> 01:08:42,827
watching kung fu movies
and anime together.

1392
01:08:42,868 --> 01:08:45,121
And all of a sudden,
you gotta do a project.

1393
01:08:45,287 --> 01:08:48,290
So that's kind of how it was 'cause we
would geek out about the same things.

1394
01:08:48,457 --> 01:08:51,127
Todd is part of
my inner circle creatively.

1395
01:08:51,293 --> 01:08:53,879
He's someone I like to riff
with, not just about visuals,

1396
01:08:54,088 --> 01:08:56,340
but about story arcs,
characters.

1397
01:08:56,507 --> 01:09:00,886
On top of that, he's incredibly gifted
with a great eye, with perspective.

1398
01:09:01,095 --> 01:09:04,014
They throw some ideas at me. I throw some
back at them or bounce them off the writer,

1399
01:09:04,223 --> 01:09:06,809
take those ideas,
put those in the script.

1400
01:09:06,976 --> 01:09:09,395
I'll tweak, he'll
tweak, go back and around and around

1401
01:09:09,562 --> 01:09:11,772
and around and around.
And it won't stop till the day we shoot.

1402
01:09:11,981 --> 01:09:15,401
It helps everyone's imagination see
the scale of what you're trying to do,

1403
01:09:15,568 --> 01:09:17,778
the depth, the color,
the pattern, the framing.

1404
01:09:17,945 --> 01:09:21,448
It was always about getting
into the psychology of John Wick,

1405
01:09:21,615 --> 01:09:25,035
what kind of character he is,
what visually signifies who this guy is

1406
01:09:25,244 --> 01:09:26,203
and what makes him different.

1407
01:09:26,370 --> 01:09:28,205
This is very much noir

1408
01:09:28,372 --> 01:09:31,584
filtered through kind of
a digital MTV aesthetic.

1409
01:09:31,750 --> 01:09:33,502
We kind of made the decision,
like, what do we love?

1410
01:09:33,711 --> 01:09:35,337
And we wrote it up on the...
"We love wuxia films.

1411
01:09:35,546 --> 01:09:37,882
We love chambara films.
We love Westerns.

1412
01:09:38,090 --> 01:09:39,800
We love John Ford.
We love Sergio Leone.

1413
01:09:39,967 --> 01:09:42,136
We love Bernardo Bertolucci.
We love Tarkovsky.

1414
01:09:42,303 --> 01:09:46,348
We love Wong Kar-Wai. We love Zhang
Yimou, you know, Akira Kurosawa.

1415
01:09:46,515 --> 01:09:48,058
We love Steven Spielberg."

1416
01:09:48,225 --> 01:09:50,603
All these great directors
of action at the time,

1417
01:09:50,769 --> 01:09:53,439
or storytelling, and we just
went, "Well, fuck it.

1418
01:09:53,606 --> 01:09:55,191
We're just gonna
combine everything we love

1419
01:09:55,357 --> 01:09:57,151
and build our own franchise."

1420
01:09:57,359 --> 01:09:58,944
I think one of the best things
about John Wick is

1421
01:09:59,153 --> 01:10:00,487
it wasn't an
existing IP already.

1422
01:10:00,696 --> 01:10:03,991
-Yeah.
-You know, so, there was no rules.

1423
01:10:04,158 --> 01:10:05,492
-Yeah.
-We could make...

1424
01:10:05,701 --> 01:10:06,952
We could steer John Wick
wherever we wanted.

1425
01:10:07,119 --> 01:10:08,454
We could do
whatever we wanted.

1426
01:10:08,621 --> 01:10:10,497
We're like, I don't know,
is he that guy?

1427
01:10:10,664 --> 01:10:12,249
Sure, he's that guy.
He loves Mustangs. He's that guy.

1428
01:10:12,416 --> 01:10:14,501
Is he this guy? Does he like...
Ah, he's that guy.

1429
01:10:14,668 --> 01:10:16,837
Like, he speaks all these languages.

1430
01:10:17,004 --> 01:10:18,589
It's like every movie we could
reinvent him a little bit.

1431
01:10:18,756 --> 01:10:20,174
I know, I love it.

1432
01:10:20,549 --> 01:10:23,844
Ready, and three,
two, one. Action!

1433
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:28,849
All the Wick movies are
very, very difficult to shoot.

1434
01:10:29,016 --> 01:10:30,976
None of them are easy, at all.

1435
01:10:31,143 --> 01:10:32,895
Fuck.

1436
01:10:33,145 --> 01:10:35,564
But 2 was hard,
but I think we were all like,

1437
01:10:35,689 --> 01:10:37,524
"Do you believe this shit?
We're here again. This is incredible."

1438
01:10:37,733 --> 01:10:38,609
John Wick: Chapter 2.

1439
01:10:38,776 --> 01:10:39,985
Like he never left.

1440
01:10:40,152 --> 01:10:42,780
And Keanu
was just so happy.

1441
01:10:42,988 --> 01:10:45,866
He starts working out and training four
or five months before he starts shooting.

1442
01:10:46,033 --> 01:10:47,868
And I don't mean like
every couple of days.

1443
01:10:48,035 --> 01:10:50,829
I mean like five, six days a week.
It's a full-time job for him.

1444
01:10:50,996 --> 01:10:53,040
But for Keanu,
it's where he's the happiest.

1445
01:10:53,207 --> 01:10:54,541
My bad.

1446
01:10:54,750 --> 01:10:56,085
Good take,
good take, good take.

1447
01:10:56,710 --> 01:10:58,087
Going again.

1448
01:10:58,128 --> 01:10:59,505
I think
you'd like to have,

1449
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:01,298
I mean, I like it too
when John Wick suffers,

1450
01:11:01,423 --> 01:11:03,509
but I think you like it
when Reeves suffers too.

1451
01:11:03,676 --> 01:11:04,677
Um...

1452
01:11:04,843 --> 01:11:06,136
Not gonna say no.

1453
01:11:08,764 --> 01:11:12,935
When you see Keanu in pain on
screen, it's probably for real.

1454
01:11:13,143 --> 01:11:14,270
Bad knee.

1455
01:11:15,020 --> 01:11:16,230
Bad knee.

1456
01:11:16,397 --> 01:11:18,315
His knee doesn't work,

1457
01:11:18,482 --> 01:11:20,985
his right shoulder doesn't
work, and his neck has a fusion.

1458
01:11:21,193 --> 01:11:24,488
So when you see John Wick
limping, that's Keanu limping.

1459
01:11:28,075 --> 01:11:29,868
Chad told Keanu early on,

1460
01:11:30,035 --> 01:11:32,037
"I'm gonna push you
past your comfort zone."

1461
01:11:32,204 --> 01:11:33,789
And Keanu was like,
"Do it."

1462
01:11:33,998 --> 01:11:36,500
Now on 1 and 2,
it was kind of healthy.

1463
01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:39,003
On 3 and 4, it was
becoming like almost barbaric.

1464
01:11:39,253 --> 01:11:43,924
But Keanu would never ever, ever,
ever, ever in a million years tap out.

1465
01:11:45,592 --> 01:11:49,513
Keanu's work ethic
and training regimen

1466
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:53,392
that he wants to do for these
movies was just really impressive.

1467
01:11:53,559 --> 01:11:55,227
First thing
you see Keanu walk on set.

1468
01:11:55,436 --> 01:11:57,855
He can barely move.
He's got his head down.

1469
01:11:58,105 --> 01:12:02,568
He just looks like he's been beat to shit
for the last two months because he has.

1470
01:12:02,693 --> 01:12:08,615
Um, I guess we can start here.
And then there.

1471
01:12:08,824 --> 01:12:10,367
And then we add,
this is fun.

1472
01:12:11,493 --> 01:12:13,412
That one's not bad.

1473
01:12:13,579 --> 01:12:15,331
-Got a little rug burn.
-Those carpet burns?

1474
01:12:15,497 --> 01:12:17,166
-Yeah.
-You already got the job.

1475
01:12:17,333 --> 01:12:18,709
Right there,
got a little bit there.

1476
01:12:18,876 --> 01:12:20,377
Action star.

1477
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:23,088
John Wick.

1478
01:12:23,297 --> 01:12:24,757
For Wick 1,

1479
01:12:24,923 --> 01:12:27,176
it was really kind of
starting from ground zero.

1480
01:12:27,343 --> 01:12:28,427
Building up from nothing.

1481
01:12:31,722 --> 01:12:33,849
It wasn't gonna
be the typical punch-kick.

1482
01:12:34,058 --> 01:12:37,019
It was gonna be more gritty,
hard-style, messy.

1483
01:12:38,604 --> 01:12:40,981
So, we had to kind of
beat on him a little bit.

1484
01:12:41,106 --> 01:12:42,691
Get him used to contact.
You know,

1485
01:12:43,108 --> 01:12:44,902
just grabbing on to one of
the guys and pulling him in.

1486
01:12:44,943 --> 01:12:46,278
That was just a drill.

1487
01:12:46,487 --> 01:12:48,822
He would just do that
for 20, 30 minutes.

1488
01:12:48,947 --> 01:12:52,785
And then, pull him in, step,
pull him in, step.

1489
01:12:52,951 --> 01:12:56,372
We sit there and we do rolls
for 15 minutes

1490
01:12:56,538 --> 01:12:59,416
and then break falls
for another 15 minutes.

1491
01:12:59,583 --> 01:13:02,544
Like that alone is
taxing on anybody.

1492
01:13:02,711 --> 01:13:05,089
I wish I could
get an ice bath.

1493
01:13:05,297 --> 01:13:06,965
-I'll get it.
-Still rolling.

1494
01:13:07,132 --> 01:13:09,176
-Ice bath.
-I need an ice bath.

1495
01:13:12,930 --> 01:13:16,767
In the training room, I got
so used to four months of him collapsing

1496
01:13:16,934 --> 01:13:19,353
on the ground, coughing
for ten minutes straight.

1497
01:13:22,981 --> 01:13:26,443
He sounds like he's gonna
die between every take of rehearsal.

1498
01:13:26,610 --> 01:13:28,987
I've seen him go
straight to the bathroom.

1499
01:13:29,154 --> 01:13:32,616
Like he's done that.
He's definitely barfed during training.

1500
01:13:32,783 --> 01:13:35,202
He would go in the bathroom,
come back out,

1501
01:13:35,369 --> 01:13:37,830
just white face
and just be like,

1502
01:13:37,996 --> 01:13:41,458
"All right, what's next?
Where we going?"

1503
01:13:41,625 --> 01:13:45,045
Which I think for all of us
was just like, "Fuck yeah."

1504
01:13:52,719 --> 01:13:54,638
Chad used to get a camera
and he goes,

1505
01:13:54,805 --> 01:13:57,391
"I want Reeves to do 50 throws
before he leaves, in a row."

1506
01:14:00,269 --> 01:14:03,063
And he's like in New York and I'm in
LA, but he puts a camera there.

1507
01:14:03,230 --> 01:14:04,940
So I'm training Reeves.

1508
01:14:05,149 --> 01:14:07,609
And then, it's like,
he does like take-- He does 30.

1509
01:14:10,362 --> 01:14:13,240
And he's dying.
Like he's fucking like passing out.

1510
01:14:13,407 --> 01:14:14,992
And I'm like, "Ah,
we should let him go."

1511
01:14:15,117 --> 01:14:17,327
'Cause whatever, right?

1512
01:14:17,786 --> 01:14:20,122
Then I get a text. It's like, "No,
that's number"-- Like he counts it.

1513
01:14:20,164 --> 01:14:22,332
"That's like number 31."

1514
01:14:22,499 --> 01:14:24,626
You know what I mean? I'm like looking.
Right? He's watching.

1515
01:14:26,044 --> 01:14:28,255
So, it's like, he had--
he had to do it.

1516
01:14:28,422 --> 01:14:29,798
It's nuts, man.

1517
01:14:32,468 --> 01:14:35,679
He knows Keanu so well.
He knows like how much he can do.

1518
01:14:35,846 --> 01:14:39,516
I'm like, "Dude, he's not g--
He's gonna die, right?"

1519
01:14:39,683 --> 01:14:43,020
Like most people are just like...
They would have, like, stopped for sure.

1520
01:14:43,187 --> 01:14:46,648
So he knows how much you can push him,
not just physically, but mentally.

1521
01:14:49,693 --> 01:14:52,196
When you know you have someone
as your lead actor go down those roads,

1522
01:14:52,404 --> 01:14:54,656
you have a whole nother
level of opportunities

1523
01:14:54,823 --> 01:14:56,325
that a lot of
directors don't have.

1524
01:14:56,492 --> 01:14:58,869
There's actors that
directors meet on the day.

1525
01:14:59,036 --> 01:15:01,371
You know, I knew Keanu for
years before I directed him.

1526
01:15:01,538 --> 01:15:04,374
I don't know if you realize
what kind of advantage that is.

1527
01:15:04,541 --> 01:15:07,878
No better union could
have happened in the film business

1528
01:15:08,045 --> 01:15:09,213
than Chad and Keanu.

1529
01:15:09,379 --> 01:15:12,174
Keanu is the hardest
training actor

1530
01:15:12,341 --> 01:15:14,384
I've ever worked with,
right?

1531
01:15:14,551 --> 01:15:17,012
He's so committed,
but it's the same as Chad.

1532
01:15:17,179 --> 01:15:18,138
They're both the same.

1533
01:15:18,472 --> 01:15:20,766
They see something
in their head,

1534
01:15:20,807 --> 01:15:26,021
and they will both bleed
profusely to achieve it.

1535
01:15:26,230 --> 01:15:29,024
Do you remember the
origin of "Wick is pain"?

1536
01:15:29,191 --> 01:15:31,735
-Day one?
-No.

1537
01:15:31,944 --> 01:15:34,947
"Wick is pain" didn't
evolve until John Wick...

1538
01:15:37,407 --> 01:15:38,534
3.

1539
01:15:39,910 --> 01:15:41,995
I think it was
during the antique fight.

1540
01:15:42,162 --> 01:15:44,540
-My knee had blown up.
-Oh, my God, I remember that.

1541
01:15:44,706 --> 01:15:47,125
The first week of
shooting and I'm sitting there,

1542
01:15:47,292 --> 01:15:49,753
and I'm like...
And I think,

1543
01:15:49,962 --> 01:15:53,715
in the fog of our...
in the fog of Wick,

1544
01:15:53,757 --> 01:15:55,551
I think I was sitting
there and then you--

1545
01:15:56,093 --> 01:15:58,971
Like, I was there and maybe I was
like, "Hey, how's it going?"

1546
01:15:59,012 --> 01:16:02,349
And you looked at me and you
were like, "Wick is pain."

1547
01:16:02,516 --> 01:16:04,560
And then you--

1548
01:16:04,726 --> 01:16:06,311
That sounded like something
a director would say.

1549
01:16:06,478 --> 01:16:08,188
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1550
01:16:08,355 --> 01:16:10,607
I remember that.
Your knee was fucking swollen.

1551
01:16:10,774 --> 01:16:13,235
It wasn't that bad,
but it was a little swollen.

1552
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,320
We were trying to get Patrick
and to get the doctor in.

1553
01:16:15,737 --> 01:16:19,241
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I had the thing
and it was a bit of a situation.

1554
01:16:19,283 --> 01:16:21,577
-But that's my recollection of when like...
-That's the etymology--

1555
01:16:21,785 --> 01:16:25,247
...of when "Wick is pain"
became formalized.

1556
01:16:25,414 --> 01:16:27,082
I think with Chad,

1557
01:16:27,291 --> 01:16:29,418
there needs to be
a healthy amount of suffering

1558
01:16:29,585 --> 01:16:33,422
that is in direct relation
with the success of the film.

1559
01:16:33,630 --> 01:16:36,174
When we were on
the first John Wick

1560
01:16:36,341 --> 01:16:39,136
and we were doing the fight at the
Navy Yard at the end of the film,

1561
01:16:39,303 --> 01:16:40,804
and it's freezing

1562
01:16:40,971 --> 01:16:43,682
and it's rain
and it's terrible,

1563
01:16:43,890 --> 01:16:45,475
he was-- he was so--

1564
01:16:45,851 --> 01:16:47,102
I don't think I've seen him
that happy before.

1565
01:16:47,144 --> 01:16:48,770
He loved it, you know?

1566
01:16:48,937 --> 01:16:50,897
And I'm sure Reeves
was right there with him.

1567
01:16:51,106 --> 01:16:53,442
They're just both
miserable suffering.

1568
01:16:53,609 --> 01:16:55,652
Anything hard is always
gonna be a little painful.

1569
01:16:55,819 --> 01:16:58,280
-Is good.
-Yeah, that's good.

1570
01:16:58,447 --> 01:17:01,283
I mean, honestly, if it didn't hurt,
if we weren't stressed out by it...

1571
01:17:01,450 --> 01:17:04,244
I mean, it's more than just the stunts.
Like we'd be working on the script.

1572
01:17:04,411 --> 01:17:06,288
-Yeah.
-Trying to figure out...

1573
01:17:06,455 --> 01:17:09,625
And then that's-- that's
a different kind of pain.

1574
01:17:09,791 --> 01:17:10,917
When you're trying to
figure out these scenes,

1575
01:17:11,126 --> 01:17:13,211
you can sense that
there's something cool,

1576
01:17:13,378 --> 01:17:15,964
we could do something really neat,
but it's-- You can't quite get it.

1577
01:17:16,173 --> 01:17:19,718
And I think that's sometimes more
painful than the--

1578
01:17:19,926 --> 01:17:23,055
Well, almost as painful
as getting hit by a bus.

1579
01:17:23,221 --> 01:17:26,016
Could you recommend anything
for the end of the night?

1580
01:17:26,183 --> 01:17:28,352
Something big, bold?

1581
01:17:28,518 --> 01:17:31,772
May I suggest
the Benelli M4?

1582
01:17:37,110 --> 01:17:39,029
This is where we wanted to
up the action a little bit,

1583
01:17:39,196 --> 01:17:40,864
so we started Keanu training
with Taran Butler,

1584
01:17:41,031 --> 01:17:42,407
the three-gun
champion of the world.

1585
01:17:52,334 --> 01:17:55,837
I didn't know that I was getting
gun hands in John Wick 1,

1586
01:17:56,046 --> 01:18:00,676
but in Chapter 2, I was like,
"The manipulations. Oh, yeah."

1587
01:18:04,012 --> 01:18:05,555
We went
from John Wick 1,

1588
01:18:05,722 --> 01:18:08,975
where it was like 100 rounds
at a shooting session,

1589
01:18:09,142 --> 01:18:12,062
to when we got to Taran on number
two, it was like 3,000 rounds.

1590
01:18:12,229 --> 01:18:13,647
Yes.

1591
01:18:21,697 --> 01:18:23,073
-Did I not hit it?
-Nope.

1592
01:18:24,324 --> 01:18:26,535
Chad's obsessed
with weaponry and guns,

1593
01:18:26,702 --> 01:18:28,412
and I think always
like the cutting edge

1594
01:18:28,620 --> 01:18:30,455
of what would be next
and what we could do.

1595
01:18:33,083 --> 01:18:36,169
The airsoft thing at the
time we thought was not revolutionary,

1596
01:18:36,211 --> 01:18:37,879
but we were like,
"This is incredible."

1597
01:18:38,046 --> 01:18:40,006
But it was like 70%
of what we wanted.

1598
01:18:40,215 --> 01:18:44,177
As we increased the
sophistication of the weaponry,

1599
01:18:44,344 --> 01:18:46,847
Chad was like, "I want to be able
to do an enormous amount of gunplay.

1600
01:18:47,013 --> 01:18:49,099
I never want to worry about it,
and I hate airsofts."

1601
01:18:49,224 --> 01:18:51,268
And I'm like, "Well,
that leaves us nowhere."

1602
01:18:51,685 --> 01:18:54,896
Because we can't have blanks, obviously.
It can't be plastic guns.

1603
01:18:54,938 --> 01:18:58,900
You've got to remember, Chad was
Brandon Lee's stunt double in The Crow,

1604
01:18:59,067 --> 01:19:00,944
so Chad more so
than I think any person

1605
01:19:01,111 --> 01:19:02,779
that comes out of
the stunt world in Hollywood

1606
01:19:02,988 --> 01:19:06,324
is hypervigilant and aware
of gun safety on a set.

1607
01:19:06,450 --> 01:19:07,743
-That's bad.
-Yeah, yeah.

1608
01:19:07,993 --> 01:19:10,328
And a lot of the
gunfire is close combat.

1609
01:19:10,412 --> 01:19:12,789
And so, how do you do that with,
you know, a gun that looks real?

1610
01:19:12,956 --> 01:19:14,958
So, you are
the speed of light.

1611
01:19:15,125 --> 01:19:16,418
I'm gonna
name the gun that.

1612
01:19:16,626 --> 01:19:18,545
-Speed of light.
-All right.

1613
01:19:18,628 --> 01:19:20,172
But then
Chad found Taran,

1614
01:19:20,672 --> 01:19:24,885
and they actually found the
secret sauce of plugging guns.

1615
01:19:24,926 --> 01:19:29,765
Chad likes to have so much close contact
action that he solid plugs everything.

1616
01:19:29,931 --> 01:19:32,768
What that means is
a normal blank gun in a movie,

1617
01:19:32,934 --> 01:19:34,978
when you fire it,
the flame comes out the front.

1618
01:19:35,145 --> 01:19:37,647
When he solid plugs it,
you don't get that anymore.

1619
01:19:37,814 --> 01:19:40,442
You get the ejection
of the casing flying out,

1620
01:19:40,609 --> 01:19:42,736
you get the reloads,
you get the smoke, you get all that.

1621
01:19:42,903 --> 01:19:45,989
The action's operating,
but it's safe.

1622
01:19:46,156 --> 01:19:48,074
You can go right up against
somebody and pull the trigger.

1623
01:19:48,283 --> 01:19:49,618
It's not going to hurt them.

1624
01:19:49,785 --> 01:19:51,787
As soon as you put a blank
with a blank gun,

1625
01:19:51,953 --> 01:19:54,080
you're basically shooting a pistol
that's been fitted for blanks.

1626
01:19:54,247 --> 01:19:56,625
And you can get wadded. I've been
sprayed a thousand times with wadding.

1627
01:19:56,792 --> 01:19:58,376
I've been shot and burned.

1628
01:19:58,543 --> 01:20:00,045
Nobody can get killed
with a solid plug gun.

1629
01:20:00,212 --> 01:20:01,630
Nothing comes out of the front.

1630
01:20:04,716 --> 01:20:06,468
And now the gun cycles.
It's totally safe.

1631
01:20:06,635 --> 01:20:08,845
You can have your hand in the front.
It won't do anything.

1632
01:20:09,012 --> 01:20:13,642
There was also a very big benefit
audio-wise for the stunt performers.

1633
01:20:13,809 --> 01:20:15,185
Things are going on.

1634
01:20:15,352 --> 01:20:16,686
There's a hundred guys
Keanu is fighting,

1635
01:20:16,853 --> 01:20:18,313
so people are yelling,
making kung fu noises.

1636
01:20:18,522 --> 01:20:20,315
So, the fact that
we had a plugged gun

1637
01:20:20,524 --> 01:20:22,692
that actually
sounded like a real gun,

1638
01:20:22,859 --> 01:20:24,486
you know, it was easier
for our stuntpeople

1639
01:20:24,653 --> 01:20:27,447
to take their cues off
the sounds of the guns.

1640
01:20:30,659 --> 01:20:32,244
That was awesome.

1641
01:20:32,410 --> 01:20:33,703
I like that press.

1642
01:20:33,912 --> 01:20:36,373
Ah. So fun.

1643
01:20:36,540 --> 01:20:39,459
-Now we're just gonna slap on the Benelli.
-We better get that shotgun.

1644
01:20:45,257 --> 01:20:47,676
-Oh, yeah. Match saver.
-Match saver.

1645
01:20:47,843 --> 01:20:50,846
When he runs out of ammo,
this is called the match saver.

1646
01:20:51,012 --> 01:20:53,807
In the old-school way,
you'd have to reach down to your belt,

1647
01:20:55,058 --> 01:20:57,811
grab a shell, drop it in,
and drop the bolt.

1648
01:20:57,978 --> 01:21:01,022
And that takes, like,
almost two seconds.

1649
01:21:01,189 --> 01:21:03,483
This way, I'm shooting,
I run empty,

1650
01:21:03,650 --> 01:21:04,860
I know immediately.

1651
01:21:05,068 --> 01:21:06,695
I throw it in
and hit the bolt.

1652
01:21:09,489 --> 01:21:13,243
-Also on that one did the jacket pull draw.
-Jacket pull draw. Yeah.

1653
01:21:13,410 --> 01:21:15,078
-Jacket pull draw.
-Jacket pull draw.

1654
01:21:15,245 --> 01:21:18,874
-Very slick.
-So good. Jacket pull draw.

1655
01:21:22,836 --> 01:21:25,881
A lot of the DNA, like we
say, is always in the first one, right?

1656
01:21:26,047 --> 01:21:28,466
But I keep going back to number
two as the real experiment.

1657
01:21:34,931 --> 01:21:36,474
John Wick
rock concert.

1658
01:21:36,641 --> 01:21:38,476
See, where's Dave now?
This is his cup of tea.

1659
01:21:38,685 --> 01:21:40,145
Dave would be up there rapping.

1660
01:21:42,272 --> 01:21:44,524
When we were in Rome and we
were doing the concert stuff,

1661
01:21:44,691 --> 01:21:47,235
that was when we decided, okay,
we have this huge crowd of people.

1662
01:21:47,444 --> 01:21:50,322
We have music going, like,
how kooky are we gonna get here?

1663
01:21:50,488 --> 01:21:52,574
Like, is John Wick really gonna
run up on stage and shoot somebody?

1664
01:21:52,782 --> 01:21:53,867
-We're like, yeah.
-Yeah.

1665
01:21:58,330 --> 01:22:00,123
This is where we
were like, okay, we're going.

1666
01:22:00,290 --> 01:22:02,083
The crowd's cheering for
shooting people in the head.

1667
01:22:02,250 --> 01:22:04,628
So, it's kind of like Red
Circle from the first one.

1668
01:22:04,836 --> 01:22:06,087
We do
like a club scene.

1669
01:22:06,296 --> 01:22:09,174
That whole concert, for me,
it came together

1670
01:22:09,299 --> 01:22:11,551
so big and so larger than life,
and when we heard the music going

1671
01:22:11,718 --> 01:22:14,012
it was like, "Okay,
we got to pump this up a little bit."

1672
01:22:14,179 --> 01:22:16,640
Then it was you like, "I'm gonna jump
down the stairs. We're just gonna go.

1673
01:22:16,848 --> 01:22:18,141
I'm gonna run
through the crowd."

1674
01:22:18,308 --> 01:22:20,435
It was this different kind
of energy than number one.

1675
01:22:20,644 --> 01:22:21,686
It was a lot more aggressive.

1676
01:22:21,853 --> 01:22:22,938
Yeah.

1677
01:22:25,023 --> 01:22:26,107
Bang, bang! Bang! Bang!

1678
01:22:27,275 --> 01:22:29,194
Bang! Got to go in here.

1679
01:22:29,361 --> 01:22:30,946
Oh, no. Bang, bang!

1680
01:22:31,529 --> 01:22:32,989
Bang!

1681
01:22:34,824 --> 01:22:35,951
Shit! Bang!

1682
01:22:37,369 --> 01:22:39,704
We did invent this choreography
in the night.

1683
01:22:39,871 --> 01:22:41,539
Literally did that
on the night.

1684
01:22:41,706 --> 01:22:44,417
Flick. Look at that.
That's legit.

1685
01:22:44,584 --> 01:22:47,420
-John Wick's just got a lot of angry arms.
-Yeah, look at that.

1686
01:22:47,629 --> 01:22:49,756
I love that, the pullback.

1687
01:22:49,923 --> 01:22:51,967
I just want to see the heads explode.
I just want to see a little bit of that.

1688
01:22:55,553 --> 01:22:57,389
Yeah, pretty much just
made this all up on the night.

1689
01:22:57,555 --> 01:22:59,808
But I think this introduced,
too, the idea of the toolbox,

1690
01:22:59,849 --> 01:23:01,810
the way that
you guys trained me.

1691
01:23:02,310 --> 01:23:05,689
The magic of what Keanu went through
is we built a giant toolbox for him...

1692
01:23:05,730 --> 01:23:07,565
You're out.

1693
01:23:08,066 --> 01:23:10,777
...that at any moment, we can pull
out tools from and plug and play.

1694
01:23:10,819 --> 01:23:12,946
-Secondary.
-I built the training very similar

1695
01:23:13,113 --> 01:23:14,280
to the way we do choreography.

1696
01:23:14,489 --> 01:23:15,949
I would put
a dummy round in the mag

1697
01:23:16,116 --> 01:23:17,659
so he would have to
correct a malfunction.

1698
01:23:17,909 --> 01:23:19,828
So, I would create problems
in the middle of this

1699
01:23:19,953 --> 01:23:21,371
that he would have to solve.

1700
01:23:21,538 --> 01:23:23,039
All that prep gives you
this luxury of, like,

1701
01:23:23,206 --> 01:23:25,375
we can be flexible
and in the moment,

1702
01:23:25,542 --> 01:23:27,919
and almost ad-lib the action

1703
01:23:28,086 --> 01:23:30,255
because he's already
gotten so good.

1704
01:23:30,422 --> 01:23:32,465
What? Cut it!

1705
01:23:32,632 --> 01:23:34,009
This is what Reeves
can do.

1706
01:23:34,217 --> 01:23:36,511
And see, that spoiled me
for the rest of the movie.

1707
01:23:36,678 --> 01:23:39,305
So, now I know you can do anything.
I'm like, "I can change shit on the day."

1708
01:23:39,514 --> 01:23:42,017
In most action movies, you
can't change the choreography.

1709
01:23:42,183 --> 01:23:44,894
-Yeah.
-You don't want to upset "insert name."

1710
01:23:45,061 --> 01:23:46,938
-Yeah.
-After this, it was like, "Oh, no,

1711
01:23:47,188 --> 01:23:49,482
we can change everything on Keanu. He's great."

1712
01:23:49,607 --> 01:23:52,068
All the stunt teams are like,
"So we can still change things?

1713
01:23:52,110 --> 01:23:53,278
-This is great."
-We can still change things.

1714
01:23:53,903 --> 01:23:56,614
-Sorry.
-Back to one. Reset.

1715
01:23:56,656 --> 01:23:58,408
-Fuck!
-It's all good.

1716
01:23:58,575 --> 01:24:00,076
That's what I like
about the John Wick action.

1717
01:24:00,243 --> 01:24:01,953
John Wick always feels
a little back on his heels.

1718
01:24:02,162 --> 01:24:03,788
Kind of like he just learned
the choreography that day.

1719
01:24:03,955 --> 01:24:05,331
-Yeah, yeah.
-Which is awesome.

1720
01:24:05,540 --> 01:24:07,792
And after this,
now it was a challenge to us.

1721
01:24:08,001 --> 01:24:10,462
How do we keep up with Keanu?

1722
01:24:10,628 --> 01:24:14,382
Whoever comes,
whoever it is,

1723
01:24:15,550 --> 01:24:16,843
I'll kill them.

1724
01:24:18,011 --> 01:24:19,721
I'll kill them all.

1725
01:24:19,929 --> 01:24:23,892
When John Wick 2
was being put together,

1726
01:24:24,059 --> 01:24:27,228
there were certain actors
that were saying, like,

1727
01:24:27,437 --> 01:24:28,813
"We would love to be
in John Wick 2."

1728
01:24:30,356 --> 01:24:32,567
You're not having a good night,
are you, John?

1729
01:24:32,817 --> 01:24:36,988
Once they put Rome on the map, it was
like, "I need to be in John Wick 2."

1730
01:24:37,113 --> 01:24:40,408
Chad, man, like, I have to be in there.
I have to be in that world.

1731
01:24:40,575 --> 01:24:43,328
I reached out to Keanu, I was
like, "Dude, all of our friends,

1732
01:24:43,536 --> 01:24:45,914
all the guys that worked
on The Matrix pictures,

1733
01:24:46,081 --> 01:24:48,708
like, everybody's in the movie.
You gotta hook me up."

1734
01:24:48,875 --> 01:24:52,545
Mr. Wick doesn't remember,
but we met many years ago.

1735
01:24:52,712 --> 01:24:54,798
And then there were
other actors that we thought,

1736
01:24:55,006 --> 01:24:56,466
"They would be great.
Let's try to get them."

1737
01:24:56,674 --> 01:25:02,514
And at that point,
not everyone was in on John Wick

1738
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:05,141
as such a big thing that it's
eventually gonna come out to be.

1739
01:25:08,603 --> 01:25:09,854
Oh, you motherfucker.

1740
01:25:10,105 --> 01:25:12,774
When you
get to John Wick 3,

1741
01:25:12,899 --> 01:25:16,319
now there is this corner
that has been turned

1742
01:25:16,528 --> 01:25:20,949
where pretty much everybody
is aware of John Wick.

1743
01:25:21,116 --> 01:25:23,535
We can literally
call it a franchise

1744
01:25:23,701 --> 01:25:27,997
because number one worked,
number two worked even better,

1745
01:25:28,206 --> 01:25:29,749
and we're planning on
making number three.

1746
01:25:31,751 --> 01:25:35,171
Now you have brilliant actors,
Academy Award-winning actors,

1747
01:25:35,338 --> 01:25:39,259
like Halle Berry
and Anjelica Huston,

1748
01:25:39,467 --> 01:25:42,720
who really understands
what John Wick is,

1749
01:25:42,887 --> 01:25:47,559
wants to be with Keanu,
wants to be with 87eleven.

1750
01:25:47,725 --> 01:25:52,188
I was a fan. I mean, there's
not a dull moment on screen.

1751
01:25:52,355 --> 01:25:53,940
I don't need to see the script.
Just sign me up.

1752
01:25:54,107 --> 01:25:56,025
I gotta tell you,

1753
01:25:56,192 --> 01:25:59,028
I've been looking forward
to meeting you for a long time.

1754
01:25:59,237 --> 01:26:02,866
I'm a huge fan, John Wick.

1755
01:26:03,074 --> 01:26:04,576
We're part of the
establishment all of a sudden.

1756
01:26:04,742 --> 01:26:06,286
When we weren't,

1757
01:26:06,494 --> 01:26:08,288
John Wick 1 was way out
of the establishment.

1758
01:26:08,580 --> 01:26:12,083
Even John Wick 2 was, like,
a foot in and a foot out.

1759
01:26:12,167 --> 01:26:17,630
And I said this to Keanu, I'm like,
"Listen, for better or for worse,

1760
01:26:17,797 --> 01:26:22,719
we are now a place where in the economics
of film and television and studios,

1761
01:26:22,886 --> 01:26:24,596
we have to
expand this world."

1762
01:26:24,804 --> 01:26:29,434
Like, there's no version of us
going, "Ah, guys, we're good."

1763
01:26:29,559 --> 01:26:33,062
You know, the shareholders of
Lionsgate's like, "No, we want more."

1764
01:26:33,229 --> 01:26:36,983
And so I think we've all kind
of collectively realized that,

1765
01:26:37,192 --> 01:26:41,112
and now we're like, "Okay, how do we make
things just a bit cool, a bit different?"

1766
01:26:41,321 --> 01:26:44,782
All right. Picture's up.
Lock it up. Here we go.

1767
01:26:46,409 --> 01:26:47,994
Cool location, right?

1768
01:26:48,203 --> 01:26:49,412
-It's awesome.
-Thanks.

1769
01:26:51,164 --> 01:26:55,877
Fuck yeah. John Wick 3. Manhattan.
New York City Library.

1770
01:27:00,548 --> 01:27:04,302
I feel like every John Wick
film has had, like, the what and the why.

1771
01:27:04,510 --> 01:27:05,970
But what's the character?
What's the why?

1772
01:27:06,763 --> 01:27:08,056
And then along that,

1773
01:27:08,223 --> 01:27:10,183
each film has had two or three,

1774
01:27:10,350 --> 01:27:13,269
like, action,
not even sequences,

1775
01:27:13,436 --> 01:27:16,105
but, like, I want to be here.
It's a mirror room.

1776
01:27:19,859 --> 01:27:22,028
It's gonna be the
fight in the library with Boban.

1777
01:27:22,237 --> 01:27:25,448
It's gonna be the stairs
in Chapter 4.

1778
01:27:25,615 --> 01:27:29,744
There's always been these
impulses of action or set pieces,

1779
01:27:29,911 --> 01:27:33,706
and somehow the story has to go
through here and here, you know,

1780
01:27:33,873 --> 01:27:36,834
and that kind of relentlessness
of trying to figure it out.

1781
01:27:39,796 --> 01:27:42,298
Dogs, horses, pigeons,
Grand Central.

1782
01:27:42,465 --> 01:27:45,510
Grand Central.
Grand Central.

1783
01:27:45,677 --> 01:27:48,304
All right, get out of here.
I gotta go to work.

1784
01:27:48,471 --> 01:27:52,600
This is Ballet Land. That's these ladies.
What are we shooting right now?

1785
01:27:52,809 --> 01:27:55,561
-Tell 'em.
-John Wick 3.

1786
01:27:55,770 --> 01:27:57,647
That says it all,
doesn't it?

1787
01:27:57,814 --> 01:28:00,525
-We're going to Marrakech.
-Sounds good.

1788
01:28:00,692 --> 01:28:03,319
Going to Morocco. Halle Berry
in the desert with some dogs.

1789
01:28:03,486 --> 01:28:06,447
It's one of the hardest things I've ever done.

1790
01:28:06,614 --> 01:28:10,243
I pushed myself to the limit.
I had some broken bones.

1791
01:28:12,161 --> 01:28:13,329
But I survived.

1792
01:28:15,456 --> 01:28:17,709
Dogs.
We need dogs in the movie.

1793
01:28:17,875 --> 01:28:19,544
What are you gonna do? Well,
we're gonna train dogs to attack groins.

1794
01:28:24,716 --> 01:28:27,552
That was one of the concepts.
That was one of the concepts.

1795
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:29,721
-John Wick 3.
-If you knew the budget we spent on dogs.

1796
01:28:29,887 --> 01:28:30,763
That was the concept.

1797
01:28:34,642 --> 01:28:36,060
We're gonna
train Halle Berry with dogs.

1798
01:28:36,227 --> 01:28:37,979
Got an actress
who wanted to say,

1799
01:28:38,146 --> 01:28:40,857
"Yeah, I want to train dogs
for seven, eight months."

1800
01:28:41,024 --> 01:28:44,360
And that's not from a book series.
That's not from a graphic novel.

1801
01:28:44,527 --> 01:28:46,738
That's from us going,
"Hey, man, you like dogs?

1802
01:28:46,904 --> 01:28:49,198
I like dogs. You like dogs? I like dogs.
Let's do something cool with dogs.

1803
01:28:49,365 --> 01:28:51,659
We did guns and cars. Let's
do dogs. Yeah, I like dogs."

1804
01:28:54,912 --> 01:28:56,664
-Dog fu.
-Dog fu, man.

1805
01:28:59,083 --> 01:29:01,210
And then, Keanu's going,
"John Wick's got to be on a horse."

1806
01:29:01,377 --> 01:29:03,713
And I'm like, "John Wick on a
horse sounds pretty fucking cool."

1807
01:29:08,092 --> 01:29:10,428
But a lot of other
people that read the script went,

1808
01:29:10,470 --> 01:29:13,639
"Yeah, that's not...
How is that gonna be cool?"

1809
01:29:13,848 --> 01:29:15,808
-Because he ran out of Central Park.
-And we're like,

1810
01:29:15,975 --> 01:29:18,019
"We're not really sure,
but we're gonna try and figure it out."

1811
01:29:18,186 --> 01:29:20,396
There's horses
by Central Park.

1812
01:29:20,563 --> 01:29:23,566
If you're willing to endure
that little bit of fear of the unknown

1813
01:29:23,733 --> 01:29:25,651
and that little bit of pain
of figuring it out...

1814
01:29:25,860 --> 01:29:27,737
Who doesn't want
to see John Wick on a horse?

1815
01:29:27,904 --> 01:29:29,697
-Yeah.
-In a suit.

1816
01:29:29,864 --> 01:29:31,616
I mean, how we...

1817
01:29:31,783 --> 01:29:34,035
And I think most people
get weirded out by it

1818
01:29:34,202 --> 01:29:35,995
because they don't know
how it fits in the story

1819
01:29:36,162 --> 01:29:38,539
or they don't know how to make
it work with the character,

1820
01:29:38,748 --> 01:29:40,833
and that's the beauty of
what we have with John Wick.

1821
01:29:41,042 --> 01:29:42,752
-It's our IP.
-Yeah.

1822
01:29:43,002 --> 01:29:45,671
So, there's no...
There's no real rules.

1823
01:29:45,755 --> 01:29:48,132
Like, we've had people come up to
us and actually say to Keanu and I,

1824
01:29:48,341 --> 01:29:49,384
"Well, that's not
very John Wick."

1825
01:29:49,550 --> 01:29:51,302
And we're like, "I don't know,

1826
01:29:51,511 --> 01:29:52,637
that's John Wick, and he
says he'll be on a horse."

1827
01:29:52,804 --> 01:29:54,472
-You want to ride a horse?
-Yeah, man.

1828
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:55,390
All right, then it's
pretty John Wick, isn't it?

1829
01:29:59,352 --> 01:30:02,313
Getting to know Jackie Chan
and Donnie Yen and Jet Li,

1830
01:30:02,480 --> 01:30:03,856
and having worked
with all those people.

1831
01:30:04,023 --> 01:30:07,110
I was talking
to Jackie one time...

1832
01:30:07,318 --> 01:30:09,987
This is after spending a lot
of time watching how he works.

1833
01:30:10,154 --> 01:30:12,740
And, you know,
I was giving him a little shit.

1834
01:30:12,949 --> 01:30:15,660
You know, like, if Keanu and I were just
sitting here and I was telling Jackie,

1835
01:30:15,827 --> 01:30:18,413
"You know, if you have two people sitting
there and there's a desk between us,"

1836
01:30:18,579 --> 01:30:20,581
we're like, "Well, you know,
he'd say something, I'd say something.

1837
01:30:20,748 --> 01:30:22,291
I'd jump over the desk,
we'd start fighting,

1838
01:30:22,458 --> 01:30:24,043
and then we'd punch
and punch and punch,

1839
01:30:24,210 --> 01:30:26,129
and then the other guy would
walk out and say a cool line."

1840
01:30:26,337 --> 01:30:30,216
Jackie would do literally the exact
opposite of any other choreographer.

1841
01:30:30,383 --> 01:30:32,802
He'd go, "Okay, you don't say anything.
I'll say a joke.

1842
01:30:32,969 --> 01:30:36,222
I'm gonna try to walk out, but
you stop me from walking out.

1843
01:30:36,389 --> 01:30:39,725
Then the room catches on fire,
the door is locked,

1844
01:30:39,934 --> 01:30:42,311
we get handcuffed together and...
What, are you right-handed?

1845
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:44,480
Okay, so you can't
use your right hand.

1846
01:30:44,647 --> 01:30:46,399
And you got to protect
this vase here from breaking

1847
01:30:46,566 --> 01:30:48,359
because that's
really what you wanted.

1848
01:30:48,568 --> 01:30:50,695
And you can't kill anybody,
although everybody has a gun."

1849
01:30:50,862 --> 01:30:54,699
And you'd look at Jackie and go,
"Well, how am I supposed to do that?"

1850
01:30:54,866 --> 01:30:56,993
And he had
the best answer ever.

1851
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:59,579
He looked right back and said,
"I have no idea how you're gonna do it,

1852
01:30:59,787 --> 01:31:02,540
but if you figure it out,
it'll be the best fight in the movie."

1853
01:31:02,748 --> 01:31:05,168
One of the sequences that
I think will always go down

1854
01:31:05,376 --> 01:31:10,715
as one of the greatest moments in all
four John Wick movies is the knife fight.

1855
01:31:10,882 --> 01:31:14,969
It's using all the things that
would normally be a problem.

1856
01:31:15,178 --> 01:31:20,224
John is in a straight, narrow
room, and he doesn't have a gun.

1857
01:31:20,391 --> 01:31:24,145
And all these assassins who have guns
are coming to get him, and he can't hide.

1858
01:31:24,312 --> 01:31:28,900
So now he has to neutralize the guns
that could shoot him and kill him, right?

1859
01:31:29,066 --> 01:31:30,318
That's number one.

1860
01:31:30,526 --> 01:31:34,614
Number two,
he gets thrown against glass.

1861
01:31:34,822 --> 01:31:37,867
And what feels like it's gonna be
a problem turns out to be an asset.

1862
01:31:38,034 --> 01:31:39,160
It's brilliant.

1863
01:31:45,666 --> 01:31:48,419
-That's so good.
-We always called it the snowball fight.

1864
01:31:48,628 --> 01:31:51,297
You and your brothers get the snowball
and you just chuck them at each other.

1865
01:31:51,464 --> 01:31:53,299
We were saying
in every action movie,

1866
01:31:53,466 --> 01:31:55,092
no matter who it is,
he always picks up a knife,

1867
01:31:55,426 --> 01:31:57,178
and they throw it, and it sticks
in, and the guy dies.

1868
01:31:57,220 --> 01:31:58,971
And we're like,
"That never really happens."

1869
01:31:59,138 --> 01:32:01,432
So let's do one where
everybody misses all the time.

1870
01:32:01,599 --> 01:32:03,017
We kept rehearsing it
and rehearsing it.

1871
01:32:03,226 --> 01:32:04,352
We kept changing
all the different pieces.

1872
01:32:04,519 --> 01:32:06,145
But it still
didn't fit right.

1873
01:32:06,312 --> 01:32:08,314
I was like, "Okay,
it's gonna be a decent fight."

1874
01:32:08,481 --> 01:32:10,358
You know, I was looking forward to the
horse stuff more and all that shit.

1875
01:32:10,525 --> 01:32:12,693
-Yeah.
-It was about the third day of doing this.

1876
01:32:12,860 --> 01:32:15,821
It was when you come at him,
just going one, two, three.

1877
01:32:15,988 --> 01:32:19,242
My opinion totally changed in this
fight, right on that. Right here.

1878
01:32:26,123 --> 01:32:27,500
-What do I do?
-Duck.

1879
01:32:27,667 --> 01:32:29,877
-Duck? Duck?
-You better.

1880
01:32:32,129 --> 01:32:33,381
Duck?

1881
01:32:34,715 --> 01:32:36,384
This is real speed.

1882
01:32:36,551 --> 01:32:39,512
This is... Yeah,
this is Shane and Chen here.

1883
01:32:39,679 --> 01:32:41,639
Whoa! That's legit.

1884
01:32:41,806 --> 01:32:43,808
We were literally putting
this stuff together on the day.

1885
01:32:43,975 --> 01:32:44,725
Action!

1886
01:32:47,353 --> 01:32:50,773
Remember, like, when we had that,
like, fucking take that's in the movie?

1887
01:32:50,940 --> 01:32:52,024
Yep.

1888
01:32:52,358 --> 01:32:53,609
Take forever.

1889
01:32:53,651 --> 01:32:55,236
-Not that...
-I know.

1890
01:32:55,403 --> 01:32:58,948
Shane is, like, amazing
as well, but I'm so slow.

1891
01:32:59,115 --> 01:33:01,701
But there was something about
that one take that was like--

1892
01:33:01,909 --> 01:33:04,829
Yeah, that take, you know,
it's great. It's great.

1893
01:33:15,423 --> 01:33:19,844
I was like, "Guys,
I don't think I could do that any faster."

1894
01:33:20,011 --> 01:33:21,887
And Shane was like,
"Me neither."

1895
01:33:22,096 --> 01:33:24,265
-We reached, like, a high hand.
-It is.

1896
01:33:24,432 --> 01:33:27,059
-It was so good but so very tired.
-Right?

1897
01:33:28,728 --> 01:33:30,605
That was fast. A lot.

1898
01:33:31,147 --> 01:33:32,231
Jesus.

1899
01:33:32,523 --> 01:33:34,567
What I learned
in John Wick 1,

1900
01:33:34,609 --> 01:33:36,652
which you carried on
through all of them,

1901
01:33:36,819 --> 01:33:40,489
-was fight film with who you trained with.
-Yeah.

1902
01:33:40,656 --> 01:33:43,242
Everyone gets
to know your timing, you know?

1903
01:33:43,409 --> 01:33:47,288
They know how slow I am,
so they can do stuff in between.

1904
01:33:47,496 --> 01:33:48,914
-"Come on, Reeves!"
-They compensate.

1905
01:33:49,123 --> 01:33:50,583
You figure
everyone else does that.

1906
01:33:50,916 --> 01:33:52,543
-I don't know why movies don't.
-They don't.

1907
01:33:55,755 --> 01:33:57,298
-Cut!
-Cut.

1908
01:33:57,673 --> 01:33:58,466
Keanu, you know,
he's a perfectionist.

1909
01:33:58,507 --> 01:33:59,800
I sucked.

1910
01:33:59,967 --> 01:34:01,761
And he is
very hard on himself.

1911
01:34:01,969 --> 01:34:03,137
Obviously, his biggest action
movies other than John Wick

1912
01:34:03,387 --> 01:34:05,431
were the Matrix movies.
And the Wachowskis,

1913
01:34:05,556 --> 01:34:08,100
you know,
there was no good enough.

1914
01:34:08,267 --> 01:34:10,436
And even if it is perfect,
we'll shoot it ten more times

1915
01:34:10,603 --> 01:34:12,438
and make sure it's perfect-perfect,
you know, super-perfect.

1916
01:34:12,605 --> 01:34:14,565
Super-perfect.

1917
01:34:14,774 --> 01:34:16,651
-That's a Reevesian word, super-perfect.
-Yeah, that's--

1918
01:34:16,817 --> 01:34:19,028
-That's where we get the fuckity fucks.
-Yeah.

1919
01:34:19,195 --> 01:34:22,073
All directed at yourself,
which is very admirable.

1920
01:34:24,450 --> 01:34:26,577
Fuck! Fuck!

1921
01:34:26,744 --> 01:34:28,954
-Cut. We'll go again.
-Fuck!

1922
01:34:29,163 --> 01:34:30,956
I can't do
the fucking lock.

1923
01:34:31,165 --> 01:34:34,502
Fucking lock, fucking, fucking
lock, fucking lock, fuck.

1924
01:34:34,669 --> 01:34:37,630
Fuck! Fuck!

1925
01:34:37,797 --> 01:34:39,757
Fucker. Fucking, fucking,
fucking fuck.

1926
01:34:39,965 --> 01:34:43,052
Fuck.
That is my bad. Fuck!

1927
01:34:43,219 --> 01:34:45,471
Okay, now
let's just do that.

1928
01:34:45,638 --> 01:34:46,555
Fuck!

1929
01:34:48,933 --> 01:34:49,809
Fuck.

1930
01:34:51,936 --> 01:34:53,020
Fuck!

1931
01:34:53,187 --> 01:34:54,146
Fuck!

1932
01:34:54,355 --> 01:34:56,816
Fuck. Fuck.

1933
01:35:02,196 --> 01:35:04,740
Fuck it. I fucked that up.
Fuck!

1934
01:35:04,865 --> 01:35:05,866
Cut.

1935
01:35:06,117 --> 01:35:07,159
-Got it?
-Fuck!

1936
01:35:07,284 --> 01:35:09,286
-Yes.
-Fuck!

1937
01:35:09,453 --> 01:35:10,287
Let's go again.

1938
01:35:10,454 --> 01:35:14,291
So, the fucks come from,

1939
01:35:14,458 --> 01:35:17,420
number one, you wanna do it well.
You wanna do it right.

1940
01:35:17,628 --> 01:35:20,923
And also, when I've been
thinking about it, it's like...

1941
01:35:24,260 --> 01:35:28,305
...when you have to do a wire,
or you go into an action sequence,

1942
01:35:28,472 --> 01:35:31,559
you basically
have like a spring.

1943
01:35:31,726 --> 01:35:34,729
You know, you have a tension
that's waiting to release.

1944
01:35:34,895 --> 01:35:38,357
And I feel like the fucks
are a way to like...

1945
01:35:38,524 --> 01:35:41,944
-It's like a kiai.
-Yeah. It's like a kiai. Like, "Fuck!"

1946
01:35:42,069 --> 01:35:44,196
Like, "Fuck."

1947
01:35:44,613 --> 01:35:47,867
And then, you get to ratchet it back
up and go, "Okay, let's try again."

1948
01:35:47,908 --> 01:35:50,536
Three, two, one, action.

1949
01:35:52,413 --> 01:35:53,789
Yeah.

1950
01:35:56,500 --> 01:36:00,087
Reeves has consistently been
one of the kindest, hardest-working,

1951
01:36:00,296 --> 01:36:05,176
gentle, generous people that I've ever
met inside or outside of this business.

1952
01:36:05,342 --> 01:36:08,220
But when he plugs in and
he goes all in on something,

1953
01:36:08,387 --> 01:36:10,765
he's going all in, and
you gotta be ready for that.

1954
01:36:10,931 --> 01:36:12,391
He knows what he's doing,

1955
01:36:12,683 --> 01:36:14,935
and when he grabs you
to do a throw or flip,

1956
01:36:14,977 --> 01:36:17,062
it's like a vice.

1957
01:36:17,271 --> 01:36:21,317
And if you look on my Instagram,
I posted a small picture.

1958
01:36:21,484 --> 01:36:23,986
My arms are just like, what?

1959
01:36:24,153 --> 01:36:27,114
But I was proud of those.
I earned those, you know?

1960
01:36:27,323 --> 01:36:30,326
John Wick, Chad and Keanu
right here, all over.

1961
01:36:36,749 --> 01:36:40,211
I cannot tell you how many times
on a John Wick set I have taken my phone

1962
01:36:40,377 --> 01:36:44,215
and have videoed stunts and
fight scenes that were happening.

1963
01:36:44,381 --> 01:36:48,219
Not for any other reason but to
say, "Look, this actually was done."

1964
01:36:51,305 --> 01:36:53,432
You know, I've seen
Keanu and his stunt double

1965
01:36:53,599 --> 01:36:56,811
go through some incredibly
physical trauma on these movies.

1966
01:37:14,662 --> 01:37:17,957
Getting the chance to
double Keanu was pretty surreal.

1967
01:37:18,165 --> 01:37:21,836
His relationship with Chad being
his double through The Matrix,

1968
01:37:22,002 --> 01:37:24,046
which changed my life...

1969
01:37:24,255 --> 01:37:28,425
So, having Chad pass me the
torch was just a huge honor.

1970
01:37:28,551 --> 01:37:32,805
And just getting to meet Reeves
and make that relationship.

1971
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:38,018
Well, they're playing the character
too, you know?

1972
01:37:41,105 --> 01:37:46,610
And they're doing things
where they can get hurt.

1973
01:37:47,570 --> 01:37:49,196
Like, really hurt.

1974
01:37:51,365 --> 01:37:53,284
I don't know how many car hits
Jackson took.

1975
01:37:57,204 --> 01:37:59,999
I mean, if someone counted
those, there's at least 20.

1976
01:38:01,375 --> 01:38:03,252
And that's, like,
in an edited version.

1977
01:38:09,967 --> 01:38:11,510
And then all of the falls
that he did...

1978
01:38:11,677 --> 01:38:12,887
...one, go!

1979
01:38:15,723 --> 01:38:16,891
Crashing, hitting...

1980
01:38:18,934 --> 01:38:22,146
collisions that are like,
"Oh, no. What?"

1981
01:38:25,107 --> 01:38:28,402
And then all of the choreography
that he could do that I couldn't do,

1982
01:38:28,569 --> 01:38:29,904
you know, just physically.

1983
01:38:33,115 --> 01:38:35,451
Also the skill,
the movement,

1984
01:38:35,659 --> 01:38:39,121
the way he moved, the way that he,
you know, paid attention to the character,

1985
01:38:39,288 --> 01:38:40,664
to me in the role.

1986
01:38:40,789 --> 01:38:42,750
And there's a talent
to that.

1987
01:38:43,208 --> 01:38:45,586
It's not just, like,
put the pads on and get hit by a car.

1988
01:38:45,628 --> 01:38:47,296
You know,
he's playing John Wick.

1989
01:38:47,713 --> 01:38:49,256
And he's gotta move...
You want to sell it a little bit.

1990
01:38:50,716 --> 01:38:53,552
So, I think you're bonded
and connected in art,

1991
01:38:53,719 --> 01:38:56,055
and you're connected
in the physicality of it.

1992
01:39:04,647 --> 01:39:07,566
We're all very
masochistic in a way.

1993
01:39:07,733 --> 01:39:10,694
It's just like, "It hurts." It's a
"Thank you, sir. May I have another?"

1994
01:39:12,696 --> 01:39:17,910
My greatest physical pain was
from the high fall on Wick 3.

1995
01:39:24,208 --> 01:39:28,545
So, I fall I think it was 12
feet to this little awning,

1996
01:39:28,712 --> 01:39:30,673
which is Lexan,
which is like a plastic.

1997
01:39:30,881 --> 01:39:33,801
Slide down, I'm supposed to
catch my feet on the ledge

1998
01:39:33,968 --> 01:39:37,346
and, like, pencil over,
like dead body,

1999
01:39:37,513 --> 01:39:41,141
turn until I land on my back half
on, half off the fire escape.

2000
01:39:41,308 --> 01:39:43,102
It's supposed to collapse
and I'm supposed to fall.

2001
01:39:47,856 --> 01:39:48,941
-You're going to...
-Yep. Yes, sir.

2002
01:39:49,108 --> 01:39:49,984
All right.

2003
01:39:53,404 --> 01:39:55,239
Well, we tested the gag,

2004
01:39:55,406 --> 01:39:59,827
but we never tested the suit
on the Lexan that I slide down.

2005
01:39:59,994 --> 01:40:03,872
I just had, like,
workout clothes on or something like that.

2006
01:40:04,039 --> 01:40:08,252
And so, the static electricity from
a suit creates less friction...

2007
01:40:11,171 --> 01:40:13,966
so I think when I fell,
I slid so fast

2008
01:40:14,133 --> 01:40:17,177
that by the time
I figured out where I was,

2009
01:40:17,386 --> 01:40:19,888
my feet were going past where
they were supposed to catch.

2010
01:40:20,055 --> 01:40:23,600
So my hip ended up
chipping off the ledge.

2011
01:40:23,809 --> 01:40:27,229
And I'm going sideways, so I'm
about to Million Dollar Baby myself.

2012
01:40:27,396 --> 01:40:32,067
Luckily, I caught myself and landed
basically on the back of my head.

2013
01:40:33,986 --> 01:40:35,612
The fire escape
didn't break away,

2014
01:40:35,779 --> 01:40:38,198
which would have let me fall
and continue the shot

2015
01:40:38,365 --> 01:40:40,367
to where I would
fall into a box catcher.

2016
01:40:43,579 --> 01:40:45,914
The first thing that I thought of
was just like, "Move your foot."

2017
01:40:47,374 --> 01:40:49,668
My foot moved, and I was like,
"Oh, thank God."

2018
01:40:49,877 --> 01:40:52,129
"We're gonna try the other one." The
other went... I was like, "Okay, great."

2019
01:40:54,465 --> 01:40:56,717
This is how I knew it
looked bad in the video village.

2020
01:40:56,884 --> 01:40:59,386
Someone said Chad went, "Fuck!"

2021
01:40:59,553 --> 01:41:00,929
I can bring a Condor
or you can come down your way.

2022
01:41:01,138 --> 01:41:02,598
-I'll just drop.
-Okay.

2023
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:05,184
Three, two, one, jump!

2024
01:41:07,227 --> 01:41:09,521
I just looked down and
Chad's just hands in his pockets.

2025
01:41:11,231 --> 01:41:14,068
"How you doing?"
I'm like, "That sucked."

2026
01:41:14,943 --> 01:41:16,779
That was... Fuck.

2027
01:41:16,945 --> 01:41:19,156
-You all right?
-Yeah.

2028
01:41:19,615 --> 01:41:21,867
I'm like, "Do we need to go
again?" He's like, "I'd like to."

2029
01:41:21,909 --> 01:41:24,286
He's like, "Can you?" I was
like, "Yeah, but if we go again,

2030
01:41:24,453 --> 01:41:26,038
we need to go, like, now

2031
01:41:26,205 --> 01:41:28,791
because I have a feeling
in about ten minutes,

2032
01:41:28,999 --> 01:41:32,503
I'm going to be like Batman
'cause I landed on my head."

2033
01:41:32,669 --> 01:41:35,589
He's like, "All right. Well, let's
figure out what we need to do to fix it,

2034
01:41:35,798 --> 01:41:39,009
and let's go. All right.
I'm glad you're okay."

2035
01:41:39,176 --> 01:41:42,304
Why was it so slick?
That was slick as shit.

2036
01:41:42,471 --> 01:41:45,182
So I went and did it again.

2037
01:41:45,349 --> 01:41:50,104
This is another testament
to our, like, bullshit.

2038
01:41:50,270 --> 01:41:52,689
See Chad looking at the monitor
and I was like,

2039
01:41:52,856 --> 01:41:54,149
"All right, how was that?"
He's like,

2040
01:41:55,484 --> 01:41:57,152
"Well, we're not
going to beat the first one."

2041
01:41:57,361 --> 01:41:59,321
He's like, "It looks
like you just fucking die."

2042
01:41:59,488 --> 01:42:01,115
And I was like, "Well, yeah."

2043
01:42:03,784 --> 01:42:08,956
So, you know, you're watching another
person put their health at risk.

2044
01:42:09,123 --> 01:42:11,208
You know? But you also
know that they love it.

2045
01:42:11,416 --> 01:42:12,334
Nice jump.

2046
01:42:12,501 --> 01:42:13,961
And you also know that

2047
01:42:14,336 --> 01:42:16,421
when it turns out well
and everybody's okay,

2048
01:42:16,463 --> 01:42:18,465
it's like, "Fuck yeah!"

2049
01:42:18,674 --> 01:42:21,093
And so, for me, it's just like
you're admiring what they do.

2050
01:42:21,260 --> 01:42:23,011
We're all wearing the suit.

2051
01:42:23,178 --> 01:42:25,180
When you
come up as a stuntperson,

2052
01:42:25,347 --> 01:42:27,432
if you're looking for credit
and notoriety,

2053
01:42:27,641 --> 01:42:29,059
you're in the wrong end
of the business.

2054
01:42:29,268 --> 01:42:30,769
You get to do this little part.
You get to...

2055
01:42:30,936 --> 01:42:34,606
You have the anonymity
that I've always enjoyed.

2056
01:42:34,773 --> 01:42:37,568
And then, you know, you get to
work with some of Hollywood's best,

2057
01:42:37,734 --> 01:42:39,862
and you get to be a ninja.

2058
01:42:40,070 --> 01:42:42,239
No one knew who you were, but you
still got to sit in the movie theater

2059
01:42:42,447 --> 01:42:44,158
and go, "Yeah, that's me."

2060
01:42:44,324 --> 01:42:46,535
And you pull off some of the
greatest moments in Hollywood.

2061
01:42:46,827 --> 01:42:50,747
I'm pretty sure that I have died more
than anyone else in the Wick series.

2062
01:42:53,542 --> 01:42:57,004
Wick 2, in the tunnels,
I was taking just shotgun hits.

2063
01:43:00,716 --> 01:43:02,926
Wick 3,
Halle killed me as well.

2064
01:43:05,721 --> 01:43:08,140
I played guards
inside the Continental.

2065
01:43:10,809 --> 01:43:12,519
I die twice in
the club scene...

2066
01:43:14,771 --> 01:43:16,607
once inside the house,

2067
01:43:16,773 --> 01:43:18,692
two times
in the house of mirrors,

2068
01:43:18,901 --> 01:43:21,236
a bunch of times
inside the tunnel,

2069
01:43:21,403 --> 01:43:22,654
probably like
four times in there.

2070
01:43:26,241 --> 01:43:28,619
I also doubled Michael Nyqvist,
so I guess I died there as well.

2071
01:43:31,163 --> 01:43:34,208
There's a fight scene in John
Wick 1 that Keanu strangles me.

2072
01:43:35,959 --> 01:43:40,214
Then in 2, we shot a big scene
in Lincoln Square, I think,

2073
01:43:40,380 --> 01:43:42,674
but it never made it
in the movie.

2074
01:43:42,883 --> 01:43:46,470
Then in John Wick 3,
I'm the guy who kicks him underwater,

2075
01:43:46,637 --> 01:43:48,055
super slow motion,

2076
01:43:48,222 --> 01:43:50,682
then Keanu comes up,
blows my brains out.

2077
01:43:50,849 --> 01:43:53,518
At Trader Joe's, there was some
young guy who kind of was like,

2078
01:43:53,727 --> 01:43:56,021
"You've been in a movie.
I've seen it. I've seen it."

2079
01:43:56,230 --> 01:43:58,523
I was like, "Yeah, I've been in
a couple movies like John Wick."

2080
01:43:58,732 --> 01:44:00,525
He's like, "You were in John Wick?" I
go, "Yeah." He's like, "Cool."

2081
01:44:00,692 --> 01:44:03,320
And then the next day I come in,
and he yells from across the way,

2082
01:44:03,528 --> 01:44:06,198
"Hey, hey,
that's the Speedo guy."

2083
01:44:17,668 --> 01:44:18,669
Check, recheck.

2084
01:44:20,963 --> 01:44:22,130
Cut!

2085
01:44:24,758 --> 01:44:26,885
3 was hard
because we shot everything

2086
01:44:27,052 --> 01:44:30,180
but not Morocco
because of weather,

2087
01:44:30,389 --> 01:44:34,726
and Halle had broken her ribs
and needed time to heal.

2088
01:44:34,893 --> 01:44:37,229
And so we had this moment in time
where we were editing the movie,

2089
01:44:37,396 --> 01:44:38,772
but the middle
of the movie wasn't there.

2090
01:44:38,981 --> 01:44:40,232
We still couldn't
figure it out.

2091
01:44:40,607 --> 01:44:42,859
We didn't have enough money
to do that piece.

2092
01:44:44,820 --> 01:44:49,074
And then got to Morocco,
and Morocco was awful.

2093
01:44:49,241 --> 01:44:52,119
I mean,
just like everything about it.

2094
01:44:52,286 --> 01:44:54,538
We were supposed to shoot in one place.
We ended up in Essaouira.

2095
01:44:54,705 --> 01:44:57,291
We couldn't permit anything.

2096
01:44:57,457 --> 01:45:01,753
And then, we had the dogs,
which also we had to ferry from the US.

2097
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:03,922
There's five dogs. We get there,
and one of the dogs wouldn't perform

2098
01:45:04,006 --> 01:45:05,299
because they just
didn't like Morocco.

2099
01:45:05,799 --> 01:45:08,302
It was also this fishing village,

2100
01:45:08,343 --> 01:45:10,220
and so there was
dead fish everywhere,

2101
01:45:10,429 --> 01:45:12,055
which meant there was
stray cats everywhere.

2102
01:45:12,222 --> 01:45:14,599
So there was
fucking cats everywhere.

2103
01:45:14,808 --> 01:45:16,768
Santana, over here.

2104
01:45:16,935 --> 01:45:18,687
Santana, over here. Hey.

2105
01:45:18,854 --> 01:45:21,982
In trying to get the dogs
to focus and not kill the cats,

2106
01:45:22,149 --> 01:45:25,110
we built a cat hotel
on the side of the set.

2107
01:45:25,319 --> 01:45:27,279
I mean, it was
just like pure mayhem.

2108
01:45:27,362 --> 01:45:29,573
Fuck!

2109
01:45:30,073 --> 01:45:34,036
When we wrap, everyone always has the
same emotion, which is "Never again."

2110
01:45:34,077 --> 01:45:36,913
Like, "Fuck this. Never again."
Especially Keanu.

2111
01:45:37,122 --> 01:45:39,916
At the end of every John Wick, we're like,
"There's just never gonna be another one,"

2112
01:45:40,083 --> 01:45:42,085
because we are so dead
and we hate each other,

2113
01:45:42,294 --> 01:45:44,212
and Keanu
is literally half dead.

2114
01:45:44,379 --> 01:45:46,381
Halfway through, Keanu's like,
"At the end of this movie..."

2115
01:45:46,548 --> 01:45:49,217
I'm not exaggerating. He goes,
"I want to be beheaded.

2116
01:45:49,426 --> 01:45:51,762
I want to see the guy
holding up my head."

2117
01:45:51,928 --> 01:45:55,223
And I'm just like,
"One, no, and two, nice try,

2118
01:45:55,390 --> 01:45:56,600
'cause you will never be able
to come back again."

2119
01:45:56,808 --> 01:45:59,561
After 3, we were like, "Okay.

2120
01:45:59,728 --> 01:46:01,229
-That's it. That's enough."
-That's good.

2121
01:46:01,438 --> 01:46:02,814
"We've done it. We're good."

2122
01:46:02,981 --> 01:46:04,858
And it just kept eating at me,
eating at me.

2123
01:46:05,067 --> 01:46:07,069
Like, we didn't get to do
our Japanese portion.

2124
01:46:07,277 --> 01:46:09,863
We didn't get to do our samurai version.
There was so much left.

2125
01:46:10,030 --> 01:46:14,159
I remember sitting with you going, "Okay,
I got a pretty good why this time."

2126
01:46:14,326 --> 01:46:15,660
You just felt like
there was more to do.

2127
01:46:15,827 --> 01:46:17,120
Yeah.

2128
01:46:21,958 --> 01:46:24,419
Do you think you're ready to do
the forward 180 one-handed?

2129
01:46:24,586 --> 01:46:26,713
-Yes.
-And with your right hand?

2130
01:46:28,590 --> 01:46:29,966
-Let's try it.
-Let's try it.

2131
01:46:30,133 --> 01:46:31,635
Do you want the gun now
or on the next one?

2132
01:46:31,802 --> 01:46:33,261
-Let's do it on the next one.
-Okay, I got it.

2133
01:46:42,145 --> 01:46:44,398
We were told that there
was too much action in John Wick 3,

2134
01:46:44,564 --> 01:46:46,316
-so we had to cut it down.
-No.

2135
01:46:46,525 --> 01:46:49,361
Boy, did we
show them in number four, huh?

2136
01:46:57,953 --> 01:47:00,205
What was hard about 4
was we weren't in New York,

2137
01:47:00,372 --> 01:47:02,791
so the DNA of the movie
had changed.

2138
01:47:03,041 --> 01:47:06,128
So all of a sudden, we were making kinda
like the international Wick version,

2139
01:47:06,253 --> 01:47:08,839
which was like a little bit
hard for us to get our sea legs.

2140
01:47:09,047 --> 01:47:10,424
And we had Donnie Yen...

2141
01:47:13,343 --> 01:47:16,304
which, amazing, but also
another movie star on set.

2142
01:47:18,390 --> 01:47:21,226
And we started sort of behind.
We were spending a lot of money.

2143
01:47:21,393 --> 01:47:25,397
It was coming off the pandemic,
all of the masks and all that bullshit.

2144
01:47:25,564 --> 01:47:26,898
And it was a gigantic movie.

2145
01:47:30,152 --> 01:47:31,820
And it was also
almost 100 days.

2146
01:47:31,987 --> 01:47:33,447
You know, when you think about
the first movie, it was like 40.

2147
01:47:33,613 --> 01:47:35,157
Oh, my hips.

2148
01:47:35,365 --> 01:47:37,409
You could push someone
well past the limit

2149
01:47:37,576 --> 01:47:39,077
when you're
shooting 40 or 50 days.

2150
01:47:39,244 --> 01:47:41,538
When you're on day 92,
you got to be careful.

2151
01:47:41,705 --> 01:47:43,081
-Cut!
-Goddamn it.

2152
01:47:43,540 --> 01:47:46,585
Why can't I fucking do
that fucking throw?

2153
01:47:46,626 --> 01:47:48,545
They never got
easier, and even as John Wick 4,

2154
01:47:48,712 --> 01:47:50,547
you know, now we got
a hundred plus million dollars,

2155
01:47:50,714 --> 01:47:53,216
because now we're-- we're
trying to make $120 million

2156
01:47:53,383 --> 01:47:54,468
look like $200 million.

2157
01:47:58,221 --> 01:48:00,098
We also didn't have
our, like, core,

2158
01:48:00,265 --> 01:48:02,559
that crew that we had
for the three other movies,

2159
01:48:02,767 --> 01:48:04,186
and it felt different.

2160
01:48:04,603 --> 01:48:05,562
All of a sudden,
we're like based in Berlin.

2161
01:48:05,604 --> 01:48:07,481
We had a lot of
different teams.

2162
01:48:07,647 --> 01:48:11,860
And so, it was just like
getting into a rhythm was hard.

2163
01:48:12,027 --> 01:48:13,528
Is that another car?

2164
01:48:13,695 --> 01:48:15,989
No. It would be...
So, he would hit--

2165
01:48:16,156 --> 01:48:18,992
He hits the car, doesn't know he
hits the car, then he gets floored?

2166
01:48:19,201 --> 01:48:22,579
Yeah. And behind that car,
Bruce comes out of the abyss.

2167
01:48:22,787 --> 01:48:25,290
Chad said, "I need you
to come do Wick 4."

2168
01:48:25,457 --> 01:48:29,002
I was like, "Awesome. We're
gonna have the team together."

2169
01:48:29,169 --> 01:48:33,131
Nope. No Jackson because he's becoming
a fight coordinator, stunt coordinator.

2170
01:48:33,298 --> 01:48:35,133
JoJo's working
on his own shows.

2171
01:48:37,636 --> 01:48:42,349
So, I was under the microscope of Chad
with no older brothers to watch my back.

2172
01:48:42,516 --> 01:48:44,392
Nice.

2173
01:48:44,643 --> 01:48:48,146
Chad just was like, "You're up.
Don't fuck up."

2174
01:48:48,271 --> 01:48:51,358
Instead of blocking, you shoot.
And I shoot. And he's like, I shoot.

2175
01:48:51,525 --> 01:48:53,902
It sounds very...
It looks very childish.

2176
01:48:54,069 --> 01:48:56,571
Donnie was a whole
nother entity to deal with.

2177
01:48:58,573 --> 01:49:00,617
Being the perfectionist
that he is,

2178
01:49:01,117 --> 01:49:04,538
he takes regular fight choreography
and puts his Donnie factor on it,

2179
01:49:04,579 --> 01:49:07,415
and he throws a bunch of curveballs
that we just had to be ready for.

2180
01:49:07,624 --> 01:49:10,168
This is...
There's no technique.

2181
01:49:10,335 --> 01:49:12,963
We got to put some Filipino,
like, a Kali in there.

2182
01:49:13,129 --> 01:49:16,007
Pop, pop, pop, pop. You know, the pop...
You know, use that technique.

2183
01:49:16,174 --> 01:49:20,136
So, the pressure was high,
but he just wanted the best.

2184
01:49:25,684 --> 01:49:27,561
-Cut!
-That's fucking awesome.

2185
01:49:27,727 --> 01:49:29,729
And that's
how I would equate Chad.

2186
01:49:29,896 --> 01:49:31,982
Chad wants the best.

2187
01:49:32,148 --> 01:49:34,568
In Chad's words, "Don't do your best.
Do my best."

2188
01:49:37,946 --> 01:49:41,199
I'll tell you one thing,
because Chad changes things so much.

2189
01:49:41,366 --> 01:49:45,829
The nunchuck fight is almost shot
for shot the previs.

2190
01:49:45,996 --> 01:49:47,205
So, there's one thing
I'm proud about.

2191
01:49:53,211 --> 01:49:54,963
Good, cut. Cut.

2192
01:49:55,422 --> 01:49:57,465
Keanu was extra stressed
out during the nunchuck fight

2193
01:49:57,549 --> 01:50:01,136
because the first thing you think about
when you see nunchucks is Bruce Lee.

2194
01:50:01,177 --> 01:50:04,222
Nunchucks are always one
of those things that sounds great

2195
01:50:04,389 --> 01:50:07,642
until you realize how much work has
to go into them, as we found out.

2196
01:50:07,809 --> 01:50:10,270
And back in his day,
they didn't make all soft...

2197
01:50:10,437 --> 01:50:11,896
-Didn't have the soft side.
-...rubbery.

2198
01:50:12,105 --> 01:50:14,232
-Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all wood.
-No. Wood.

2199
01:50:14,399 --> 01:50:17,819
When Tiger and I were trying them,
they were... there was a penalty.

2200
01:50:18,028 --> 01:50:19,112
Consequences.

2201
01:50:19,154 --> 01:50:20,572
So many times.

2202
01:50:21,156 --> 01:50:22,991
There was a lot of
penalties on John Wick 4.

2203
01:50:23,033 --> 01:50:25,201
I'd pick up the real pair
and go like, "Oh, no."

2204
01:50:25,368 --> 01:50:27,412
No, no.

2205
01:50:27,579 --> 01:50:29,998
Literally, anybody that picked up
the real pair, ten seconds later,

2206
01:50:30,165 --> 01:50:31,791
yeah, put them back down
going, "Fuck."

2207
01:50:33,043 --> 01:50:34,169
And action!

2208
01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:48,141
Probably we should have bee
able to shoot that fight in half a day.

2209
01:50:48,350 --> 01:50:50,060
Wrong fucking hand, Reeves.

2210
01:50:50,226 --> 01:50:52,729
But Keanu had a horrible ear infection.
Could not hear anything.

2211
01:50:52,937 --> 01:50:54,689
I know he had to feel awful.

2212
01:50:54,856 --> 01:50:56,274
Goddamn it.

2213
01:50:56,441 --> 01:50:57,609
It took us, I think,

2214
01:50:57,776 --> 01:50:59,194
at least a whole day,
maybe a day and a half.

2215
01:50:59,402 --> 01:51:02,280
But, you know, he never quit.

2216
01:51:02,447 --> 01:51:04,658
Why do I keep doing that,
man?

2217
01:51:05,075 --> 01:51:08,787
Keanu, throughout the whole movie
of Wick 4, he kind of had the flu.

2218
01:51:08,828 --> 01:51:12,540
And the work ethic
to work through it was intense

2219
01:51:12,707 --> 01:51:14,626
because we had
already started shooting.

2220
01:51:14,709 --> 01:51:16,211
He was doing
a couple other fights.

2221
01:51:16,586 --> 01:51:18,963
But on his off time,
when he wasn't on camera,

2222
01:51:19,005 --> 01:51:20,507
he was training nunchucks.

2223
01:51:20,840 --> 01:51:22,592
We would say, "You're sick.
Take a day off."

2224
01:51:22,717 --> 01:51:25,512
He's like, "No days off.
I shoot nunchucks in a couple days."

2225
01:51:25,679 --> 01:51:28,139
Does he have a wall?
We've never found it.

2226
01:51:28,306 --> 01:51:29,891
Ready and action!

2227
01:51:34,020 --> 01:51:36,189
A lot of the Wicks are like
love letters to things that we love.

2228
01:51:36,398 --> 01:51:38,233
Like the low-budget action
movies we grew up loving.

2229
01:51:38,441 --> 01:51:40,985
So we had Mark Dacascos
in John Wick 3.

2230
01:51:41,152 --> 01:51:43,613
I mean, we had Gary Daniels in number
two, Daniel Bernhardt,

2231
01:51:43,822 --> 01:51:46,491
you know, Yayan and Cecep
from The Raid.

2232
01:51:46,658 --> 01:51:48,493
I mean, look who we got
on number four.

2233
01:51:48,660 --> 01:51:50,203
That was one of the things.
We don't know the script,

2234
01:51:50,412 --> 01:51:52,455
but I know Scott Adkins
is going to be in a fat suit.

2235
01:51:52,664 --> 01:51:54,582
Chad, I want to be
in John Wick 4.

2236
01:51:54,791 --> 01:51:56,334
-Yeah.
-That phone call--

2237
01:51:56,501 --> 01:51:58,253
Thanks for this opportunity.
I really appreciate it.

2238
01:51:58,420 --> 01:51:59,671
I remember that phone call--

2239
01:51:59,879 --> 01:52:01,673
But I don't wanna do
another movie with you.

2240
01:52:01,798 --> 01:52:04,926
I've had enough,
to be quite frank.

2241
01:52:05,093 --> 01:52:07,178
Nothing's better for me when
I get to call up Marko Zaror,

2242
01:52:07,345 --> 01:52:10,014
who I didn't know before
we worked together, saying,

2243
01:52:10,181 --> 01:52:12,559
"Hey, man, I really love all your films."
He's like, "You're kidding, right?"

2244
01:52:12,726 --> 01:52:14,894
I was like, "No, really. We watch
them all the time. They're awesome."

2245
01:52:15,061 --> 01:52:16,813
I killed Mark Dacascos.

2246
01:52:17,063 --> 01:52:18,773
I killed Scott Adkins. Now
I'm going to kill Marko Zaror.

2247
01:52:20,775 --> 01:52:23,111
Who's left, man? Cynthia Rothrock?

2248
01:52:23,153 --> 01:52:26,322
Shamier, when you come
in, give it a one one-thousand,

2249
01:52:26,489 --> 01:52:28,158
-then he can build in his look.
-Cool.

2250
01:52:28,324 --> 01:52:29,743
Beat, one one-thousand, go.

2251
01:52:29,909 --> 01:52:31,161
-That's your first one.
-Cool.

2252
01:52:31,327 --> 01:52:33,788
Should I wait to see him
before I dodge?

2253
01:52:33,955 --> 01:52:36,916
I think you could do it at the same time.
Shamier counts to 1,000.

2254
01:52:37,083 --> 01:52:39,085
-If you go to peek as soon as you hit...
-Okay.

2255
01:52:39,252 --> 01:52:40,628
...you'll run into him and
that can be the, "Oh, shit."

2256
01:52:40,795 --> 01:52:42,881
Okay.
Someone say action.

2257
01:52:43,089 --> 01:52:45,133
Ready, and action.

2258
01:52:45,341 --> 01:52:47,302
Boom. Go back. Boom.

2259
01:52:47,469 --> 01:52:48,386
Bang.

2260
01:52:48,553 --> 01:52:49,637
Bang.

2261
01:52:49,846 --> 01:52:53,433
Bang. Drop gun.
Draw. Bang, bang.

2262
01:52:56,561 --> 01:52:59,230
Nice. Action hero.

2263
01:53:09,199 --> 01:53:12,076
We came up with this idea for
top shot and what you see here...

2264
01:53:12,243 --> 01:53:14,245
-Why do you keep saying "we"?
-Well, I mean the crew. Everybody.

2265
01:53:14,412 --> 01:53:16,414
'Cause like, okay, I came up with the
idea, this is my thought...

2266
01:53:16,581 --> 01:53:18,458
What do you mean?
This is like one of the first things,

2267
01:53:18,625 --> 01:53:21,669
this was one of the ideas,
the concepts that followed us,

2268
01:53:21,878 --> 01:53:23,546
-the duel, the top shot...
-Exactly.

2269
01:53:23,755 --> 01:53:26,591
More horses,
that was on the plate.

2270
01:53:26,758 --> 01:53:29,219
-So, we came up with all this stuff.
-Why? Where's the "we"?

2271
01:53:29,385 --> 01:53:30,678
Well...
...can you lie?

2272
01:53:30,887 --> 01:53:32,931
-You! You!
-No. No.

2273
01:53:33,139 --> 01:53:35,183
-You!
-They don't see it 'cause top shots--

2274
01:53:35,391 --> 01:53:38,311
No. There was no we who said,
"I see a top shot in John Wick 4."

2275
01:53:38,353 --> 01:53:40,230
We wanted to do a top shot--

2276
01:53:40,814 --> 01:53:42,565
It was like, "I'm Chad and, yeah,
that's what I see in my head."

2277
01:53:42,607 --> 01:53:44,901
All right, so kooky director
guy comes up with this idea.

2278
01:53:45,068 --> 01:53:47,612
-Thank you.
-And I used to play with Etch A Sketch as a kid.

2279
01:53:47,779 --> 01:53:50,323
So, I'm like seeing things
in Etch A Sketch world.

2280
01:53:50,490 --> 01:53:54,494
And one of the things I've always hated
about action movies is editing to hide,

2281
01:53:54,661 --> 01:53:56,204
camerawork to hide.

2282
01:53:56,621 --> 01:53:58,289
Because most times,
you don't have Keanu Reeves,

2283
01:53:58,331 --> 01:53:59,791
you don't have
six months of rehearsals,

2284
01:54:00,166 --> 01:54:01,835
you don't have the best
stunt teams in the world.

2285
01:54:02,043 --> 01:54:04,003
So, you're hiding wires,
you're hiding green screen,

2286
01:54:04,045 --> 01:54:05,880
you're hiding stunt doubles,
you're hiding, hiding, hiding, hiding.

2287
01:54:05,964 --> 01:54:09,634
So what would happen if you
didn't have to hide anything?

2288
01:54:09,801 --> 01:54:11,886
We wanted to say,
"Hey, watch this, guys.

2289
01:54:12,095 --> 01:54:14,472
We're gonna see Keanu Reeves do all
this, come up to a top shot

2290
01:54:14,597 --> 01:54:16,307
and then show all the bad guys
behind the wall,"

2291
01:54:16,474 --> 01:54:19,435
so the audience is in on the gags,
even before our lead actor is,

2292
01:54:19,602 --> 01:54:21,271
because they can see
the bad guys coming in.

2293
01:54:21,354 --> 01:54:22,605
Kind of like Etch A Sketch.

2294
01:54:22,981 --> 01:54:24,899
But I don't think
there's been a time

2295
01:54:24,983 --> 01:54:27,485
where we haven't had pushback,
because people don't see it.

2296
01:54:27,652 --> 01:54:31,573
So, without maybe telling anybody,
we started to build the set.

2297
01:54:31,781 --> 01:54:33,533
So we're already
spending the money.

2298
01:54:33,700 --> 01:54:35,952
So by the time the
actual "no" came back,

2299
01:54:36,160 --> 01:54:38,162
we had kind of already built
three-quarters of the set.

2300
01:54:38,371 --> 01:54:43,251
So, the rationale was, "Well,
we might as well shoot it,

2301
01:54:43,418 --> 01:54:45,003
but you guys got to
do it in two days."

2302
01:54:45,253 --> 01:54:47,547
You don't take dictation
from the studio by any stretch,

2303
01:54:47,672 --> 01:54:49,549
but you try to figure out
a middle ground.

2304
01:54:49,716 --> 01:54:52,176
As someone who has to live
between the creative

2305
01:54:52,343 --> 01:54:56,306
and the financial and, you know,
the studio and Chad, it's hard.

2306
01:54:56,472 --> 01:55:01,436
I mean, he never accepts no as the answer.
And beauty and magic come out of that.

2307
01:55:01,603 --> 01:55:04,564
But man, you go fully gray.

2308
01:55:07,358 --> 01:55:09,569
I think that the proof's
kind of in the pudding, right?

2309
01:55:09,777 --> 01:55:11,195
Number one is pretty good.

2310
01:55:11,404 --> 01:55:13,197
Hopefully number two is better,
three is better,

2311
01:55:13,406 --> 01:55:15,825
4 is... I'm most proud of,
because I think

2312
01:55:16,034 --> 01:55:20,079
it's the most anime with framing,
composition, depth of field.

2313
01:55:20,246 --> 01:55:22,332
Chad has
always been very cognizant

2314
01:55:22,540 --> 01:55:26,586
that John Wick is a franchise
that's dripping with tone.

2315
01:55:26,753 --> 01:55:32,717
And it's that Sergio Leone, like,
take your time, move through the scene,

2316
01:55:32,884 --> 01:55:34,594
be with the character.

2317
01:55:34,761 --> 01:55:38,765
Chad was very much into not
cutting into a lot of details.

2318
01:55:38,932 --> 01:55:40,934
He wants to play it
as wide as possible,

2319
01:55:41,100 --> 01:55:43,436
have dolly shots
and crane shots and Steadicam.

2320
01:55:43,645 --> 01:55:46,105
So we would try to move
the camera as much as we can

2321
01:55:46,272 --> 01:55:50,193
to make it more epic,
more classic.

2322
01:55:50,360 --> 01:55:52,528
And so, even in
the earliest discussions,

2323
01:55:52,695 --> 01:55:53,947
we always make sure
that, like,

2324
01:55:54,238 --> 01:55:56,824
does this feel important
and does it feel special?

2325
01:55:56,908 --> 01:56:01,204
Does it feel like we're presenting
an image worth resting on?

2326
01:56:05,416 --> 01:56:06,584
Pretty cool.

2327
01:56:06,751 --> 01:56:07,961
Sacré-Coeur.

2328
01:56:08,920 --> 01:56:10,838
John Wick's final scene.

2329
01:56:13,257 --> 01:56:14,634
This is where it happens?

2330
01:56:14,842 --> 01:56:15,760
The duel.

2331
01:56:15,927 --> 01:56:17,762
Should be pretty cool.

2332
01:56:17,929 --> 01:56:19,389
If we can only figure out how
to light it and how to shoot it

2333
01:56:19,555 --> 01:56:21,474
and how to perform it
and how to edit it

2334
01:56:21,683 --> 01:56:24,435
and how to put score to it,
make it look really cool, we'd be set.

2335
01:56:27,146 --> 01:56:30,984
Especially because we start
shooting in... 34 minutes.

2336
01:56:31,901 --> 01:56:33,569
And so we begin.

2337
01:56:42,161 --> 01:56:44,998
After Chapter 3,
it was like, why?

2338
01:56:45,164 --> 01:56:48,835
And I was saying, like,
"The why is he has to die."

2339
01:56:49,002 --> 01:56:50,420
And I think as soon
as I said that,

2340
01:56:50,712 --> 01:56:53,047
-you-- you were like--
-No, it's like, "I'm in."

2341
01:56:53,131 --> 01:56:54,882
Once you say that,
that's the period, right?

2342
01:56:55,049 --> 01:56:56,592
-And then you got to figure out how.
-Yeah. How?

2343
01:56:56,759 --> 01:56:58,761
If he's got to die, like,
we got to make this count.

2344
01:57:00,555 --> 01:57:02,890
And I think that was
the hardest part, right?

2345
01:57:03,057 --> 01:57:06,477
Because we knew, one of the first things we
wanted to do, like, we wanted to do a duel.

2346
01:57:06,644 --> 01:57:08,896
Positions, gentlemen.

2347
01:57:09,188 --> 01:57:11,524
Then, you're like, "Okay,
but it's got to mean something, like..."

2348
01:57:11,607 --> 01:57:14,110
-Yeah.
-My duel was like, "Well, he'll win."

2349
01:57:14,277 --> 01:57:16,529
And you're like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa.
He's got to lose.

2350
01:57:16,738 --> 01:57:18,823
But he wins and he gets what he wants."

2351
01:57:18,990 --> 01:57:20,533
So, how do we get him out
of this whole life?

2352
01:57:20,742 --> 01:57:23,077
-How do we get out of everything?
-Mmm.

2353
01:57:23,244 --> 01:57:27,874
And that's when we set up the whole
Donnie's character's backstory

2354
01:57:28,041 --> 01:57:29,125
-of saving a daughter.
-Yeah.

2355
01:57:29,333 --> 01:57:30,793
And Hiroyuki's character

2356
01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:32,879
of the daughter survives him.

2357
01:57:33,046 --> 01:57:35,715
So you lose a friend and a friend
has to fight you in the duel.

2358
01:57:35,882 --> 01:57:37,759
Because originally we had
Marquis duels you--

2359
01:57:37,967 --> 01:57:39,844
-Right, yeah.
-It took a little while.

2360
01:57:40,011 --> 01:57:43,014
It was like a clock trying to
figure out the right mechanism.

2361
01:57:43,222 --> 01:57:45,683
-How do we tell John Wick time?
-Yeah, exactly.

2362
01:57:49,437 --> 01:57:52,106
Chad always talks about how
he loves the idea of frenemies.

2363
01:57:52,315 --> 01:57:54,108
It's in all of the movies,
but especially in John Wick 4, right?

2364
01:57:54,275 --> 01:57:56,069
Like the Caine and Wick
relationship

2365
01:57:56,235 --> 01:57:58,654
and the idea that you can
love your brother,

2366
01:57:58,821 --> 01:57:59,906
but then also want
to kill your brother.

2367
01:58:00,073 --> 01:58:01,407
I missed you, John.

2368
01:58:04,077 --> 01:58:06,079
It's so good to
sit with a friend.

2369
01:58:07,663 --> 01:58:10,583
I love the Japanese concept
of secrets and hidden whispers,

2370
01:58:10,792 --> 01:58:13,377
meaning only a warrior knows
a warrior, only a soldier...

2371
01:58:13,544 --> 01:58:16,380
Like you have to be in the trenches
with someone to really know them.

2372
01:58:16,589 --> 01:58:18,800
And just, I mean, that shot
alone, two guys sitting there

2373
01:58:19,008 --> 01:58:21,094
both knowing they have to face each
other the next day, I thought that was--

2374
01:58:21,260 --> 01:58:23,304
-In a church.
-In a church.

2375
01:58:24,597 --> 01:58:26,099
We're damned...

2376
01:58:28,017 --> 01:58:29,268
you and I.

2377
01:58:30,812 --> 01:58:32,730
On that we agree.

2378
01:58:32,939 --> 01:58:34,357
What we've all tried to do
in John Wick

2379
01:58:34,524 --> 01:58:37,110
is link John Wick
to everybody in the movie,

2380
01:58:37,276 --> 01:58:39,737
so he's always got a relationship,
so no one's a throwaway.

2381
01:58:39,904 --> 01:58:43,533
And I think that's why John's so
beloved, even though he's an assassin.

2382
01:58:43,699 --> 01:58:45,952
I mean, even the tracker
who's literally just met him.

2383
01:58:46,119 --> 01:58:48,955
Because we don't have the
stereotypes of good guy, bad guy,

2384
01:58:49,122 --> 01:58:52,041
we can fuck with
relationships like that.

2385
01:58:52,250 --> 01:58:55,294
Like Donnie and him were
probably best friends at a point.

2386
01:58:55,461 --> 01:58:58,339
See you in the next life,
brother.

2387
01:58:58,506 --> 01:59:00,883
Like, Hiroyuki's a best friend,
but John puts him in danger,

2388
01:59:01,050 --> 01:59:02,635
and Hiroyuki stands up for him.

2389
01:59:02,927 --> 01:59:05,847
Friendship means little
when it's convenient.

2390
01:59:05,930 --> 01:59:09,016
To play with friendship and bonding
and loyalty like that is a real luxury.

2391
01:59:09,225 --> 01:59:10,476
Fire!

2392
01:59:15,940 --> 01:59:19,193
You started John Wick 1
with John Wick falling to his side.

2393
01:59:19,360 --> 01:59:20,653
Yep.

2394
01:59:20,862 --> 01:59:22,029
And then, there he is.

2395
01:59:24,657 --> 01:59:25,992
He gets his grace.

2396
01:59:32,123 --> 01:59:33,624
-We're doing this little focal thing.
-Mm-hmm.

2397
01:59:33,791 --> 01:59:35,543
So I'll have you guys
look at the gravestone.

2398
01:59:35,751 --> 01:59:38,004
When I say "Laurence," they'll
rack over to you. You turn--

2399
01:59:38,171 --> 01:59:39,130
-And then make my turn.
-Exactly.

2400
01:59:39,297 --> 01:59:41,757
Very good.

2401
01:59:41,924 --> 01:59:43,885
Is this
the last-- not last shot.

2402
01:59:44,093 --> 01:59:46,804
You're making the last shot
in the movie.

2403
01:59:46,971 --> 01:59:49,140
I think. Although,
I could change my mind.

2404
01:59:49,265 --> 01:59:50,433
Probably tomorrow.

2405
01:59:50,892 --> 01:59:53,186
Or now.
I've just changed my mind.

2406
01:59:53,227 --> 01:59:55,021
So it's not the last one?

2407
01:59:56,272 --> 01:59:57,523
Why? Who wants to know?

2408
01:59:59,192 --> 02:00:01,360
How much
does one more cost?

2409
02:00:03,905 --> 02:00:06,449
We're still talking about John
Wick and John Wick universe a lot.

2410
02:00:06,657 --> 02:00:09,118
But whether or not there's a
specifically John Wick 5, I don't know.

2411
02:00:09,327 --> 02:00:11,662
Where do you think he is,
heaven or hell?

2412
02:00:14,415 --> 02:00:16,000
Who knows?

2413
02:00:16,375 --> 02:00:18,711
I think the movies
are so, you know, hyperreal.

2414
02:00:18,753 --> 02:00:20,671
And we've proven that,
you know,

2415
02:00:20,838 --> 02:00:23,633
people can survive
all sorts of crazy things.

2416
02:00:23,799 --> 02:00:25,509
So, it's whatever
we want it to be.

2417
02:00:25,718 --> 02:00:27,762
-We still have ideas left...
-I know. We still have--

2418
02:00:27,803 --> 02:00:29,680
...that we
haven't done, man!

2419
02:00:30,264 --> 02:00:34,602
It is a bit surreal that
after a decade of nonstop John Wick,

2420
02:00:34,644 --> 02:00:37,188
that we'll have a break and that
Chad's going off and do another movie.

2421
02:00:37,355 --> 02:00:39,273
I'm hoping, selfishly,
he's gonna go,

2422
02:00:39,440 --> 02:00:41,692
"This is what it's like
to direct a regular movie.

2423
02:00:42,068 --> 02:00:44,111
I want to go back to John Wick,
where I could do whatever the hell I want

2424
02:00:44,153 --> 02:00:45,613
and Keanu will do
anything I ask."

2425
02:00:45,780 --> 02:00:47,365
Creatively,
like, even if--

2426
02:00:47,531 --> 02:00:49,450
I mean, if you and I just
spend, like, seven minutes

2427
02:00:49,617 --> 02:00:52,370
and we could figure out,
like, what haven't we done,

2428
02:00:52,578 --> 02:00:54,705
and we could come up
with ideas for 5

2429
02:00:54,872 --> 02:00:57,625
and it would be like...
You know, it wouldn't suck.

2430
02:00:57,833 --> 02:00:59,752
Wick is pain. It'd just be a
different pain on a different day.

2431
02:00:59,961 --> 02:01:02,046
Yeah. But maybe we can
find another story to tell

2432
02:01:02,213 --> 02:01:03,547
and cook another meal.

2433
02:01:09,720 --> 02:01:13,349
I can't wait to see
what happens next in action.

2434
02:01:13,516 --> 02:01:16,769
It's like fashion. It changes.
There's generations. It evolves.

2435
02:01:16,978 --> 02:01:19,313
To be part of that movement
is really exciting.

2436
02:01:19,480 --> 02:01:21,649
People always send me clips
of different movies.

2437
02:01:21,941 --> 02:01:24,068
"Hey, look, they're copying John Wick"
or "They're trying to do gun fu."

2438
02:01:24,151 --> 02:01:25,653
I dig that.

2439
02:01:25,820 --> 02:01:26,779
You know, when you read
a script and it just says,

2440
02:01:26,988 --> 02:01:28,030
"John Wick action happens."

2441
02:01:28,197 --> 02:01:29,532
I kinda... You smile.

2442
02:01:29,699 --> 02:01:31,701
You're like,
okay, that's pretty...

2443
02:01:31,909 --> 02:01:33,661
I kind of play it off.
But I'm pretty like, "That's pretty cool."

2444
02:01:33,786 --> 02:01:37,206
That's inspiring because being
competitive is what drives us.

2445
02:01:37,415 --> 02:01:41,377
And that's being competitive with
what's been done, including ourselves.

2446
02:01:41,544 --> 02:01:45,381
I don't have any competition
with Chad in my head.

2447
02:01:48,050 --> 02:01:49,343
I don't think
I have any competition.

2448
02:01:49,510 --> 02:01:51,887
I mean,
he does his own thing.

2449
02:01:52,054 --> 02:01:53,806
He's doing...
Well, he's in his own world.

2450
02:01:54,015 --> 02:01:55,516
He does Wick.
Like, he loves Wick.

2451
02:01:55,766 --> 02:01:58,936
Wick is fucking Chad.
Chad and Keanu, they're Wick.

2452
02:01:59,103 --> 02:02:01,981
They bleed Wick. They die Wick.
They're like Wick, you know?

2453
02:02:02,148 --> 02:02:04,775
And that's why it's so good,
you know?

2454
02:02:04,984 --> 02:02:06,319
'Cause Wick is pain.

2455
02:02:07,278 --> 02:02:09,572
Um...
Maybe Wick is pain.

2456
02:02:09,613 --> 02:02:11,657
Maybe it's a great name
for the documentary.

2457
02:02:12,116 --> 02:02:15,786
I think if there's one thing that
the Wick process has taught me,

2458
02:02:15,828 --> 02:02:17,538
just from watching
Keanu and everything,

2459
02:02:18,039 --> 02:02:20,750
is pain's not necessarily a bad
thing, you know what I mean?

2460
02:02:20,791 --> 02:02:25,129
Pain's just the end result,
often, of just brave choices

2461
02:02:25,296 --> 02:02:27,214
or putting yourself out there
or trying to win.

2462
02:02:27,381 --> 02:02:30,051
Yeah, we all have to suffer.
We all have to train hard.

2463
02:02:30,259 --> 02:02:33,637
But to me, no, honestly,
I love that.

2464
02:02:33,846 --> 02:02:35,473
That's what I do
every day anyway.

2465
02:02:35,681 --> 02:02:37,641
You have to suffer a little bit
to be better, you know?

2466
02:02:37,850 --> 02:02:41,020
I mean, our bodies suffer.
Our minds suffer.

2467
02:02:41,812 --> 02:02:42,772
And I love that.

2468
02:02:42,938 --> 02:02:44,732
We want to make it the best.

2469
02:02:45,107 --> 02:02:48,277
And in order to make it the best,
you got to do whatever it takes.

2470
02:02:48,319 --> 02:02:51,030
And sometimes it hurts.
It hurts.

2471
02:02:51,197 --> 02:02:54,075
And it hurts you,
and it hurts the people around you,

2472
02:02:54,283 --> 02:02:56,077
maybe the people
that are close to you.

2473
02:02:56,410 --> 02:02:58,412
But Wick isn't pain.
I mean, Wick's a blessing.

2474
02:02:58,454 --> 02:03:00,831
I mean,
it's like movie magic.

2475
02:03:00,998 --> 02:03:06,212
It's, you know... We all hit a
creative and financial jackpot.

2476
02:03:06,379 --> 02:03:10,424
And, you know, there isn't a day
that goes by where I'm not like,

2477
02:03:10,633 --> 02:03:12,885
"Thank fucking god
Wick's a part of my life."

2478
02:03:13,094 --> 02:03:16,180
Is the pain worth it? Yeah.

2479
02:03:16,347 --> 02:03:17,848
It's just a lot of pain.

2480
02:03:21,268 --> 02:03:22,686
Congratulations.

2481
02:03:22,895 --> 02:03:23,813
Awesome.

2482
02:03:26,857 --> 02:03:28,776
Good job.
Thank you, guys.

2483
02:03:29,318 --> 02:03:31,737
It's like one of the
greatest gifts I've had in my life.

2484
02:03:33,739 --> 02:03:35,032
Well done.

2485
02:03:35,449 --> 02:03:38,285
I had a John Wick decade,
my 50s.

2486
02:03:38,828 --> 02:03:40,538
Fuck yeah.

2487
02:03:40,955 --> 02:03:44,250
I don't know if I could have
another decade like that.

2488
02:03:44,291 --> 02:03:45,418
Um...

2489
02:03:46,335 --> 02:03:49,004
Yeah, I'd be
very, very lucky.

2490
02:03:50,589 --> 02:03:52,425
But, uh, yeah.

2491
02:03:54,176 --> 02:03:57,388
Wick is pain.
Wick is celebration.

2492
02:03:57,596 --> 02:04:00,850
Wick is surviving.
Wick is trying to be free.

2493
02:04:01,809 --> 02:04:03,394
Wick is grieving.

2494
02:04:04,562 --> 02:04:06,856
Against the odds, surviving.

2495
02:04:08,315 --> 02:04:12,486
Wick is friendship.
Wick is love.

2496
02:04:13,779 --> 02:04:15,114
You know?

2497
02:04:15,281 --> 02:04:18,242
It's all those
kind of big ideas

2498
02:04:18,409 --> 02:04:22,621
in this... action movie.

2499
02:04:31,630 --> 02:04:35,634
And Wick is funny.
And John Wick is funny.